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Offline Universalist Catholic

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What do they mean by Physical and spiritual things?
« on: May 06, 2010, 12:19:16 AM »
Ray Smith wrote that physical things would all disappear, and be taken over with spiritual things.  Im a little confused.  Doesnt the bible teach that both physical and spiritual would all be restored?  But they speak of a spiritual body. 

John 20:26-29 (New International Version)

 26A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" 27Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe."

 28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

 29Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."

it seems like Jesus was actually seen, touched and recognized.
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Re: What do they mean by Physical and spiritual things?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2010, 03:12:37 AM »
Jesus said;

"Heaven and Earth WILL pass away, but my worlds will not"

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Re: What do they mean by Physical and spiritual things?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2010, 04:10:31 AM »
Wasn't spiritual before the physical?
If that be the case which I believe it is, then at some point everything would be restored to spiritual.  :2c:

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Re: What do they mean by Physical and spiritual things?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2010, 04:33:16 AM »
What Im confused about whether spiritual means ghost or indestructable.

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Re: What do they mean by Physical and spiritual things?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2010, 04:47:53 AM »
I really enjoy L Ray Smiths papers, I don't believe spiritual would be ghosts but indestructable, this is how I understand.
 I hope others come to our rescue here. :thumbsup:

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Re: What do they mean by Physical and spiritual things?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2010, 06:23:42 PM »
Another topic I'm struggling to put into words what it is I see.
For me, everything natural stems from the curse Adam inflicted.  The order originally established by God was, Spirit, soul, then body.  The spiritual realm was the dominant realm.  Right now, the spiritual realm is our invisible realm.  We can't comprehend what it "was" before the curse because we're still living in the aftermath of it.  Before the curse, the spiritual realm was the dominant realm.  But when Adam ate from the tree of knowledge, he left the spirit realm and passed through the gate leading into this realm.

And everyone born of his flesh, has this realm of the flesh as their dominant realm. 

Now, the curse is simply the perversion of God's original order.  Spirit still very much exists, but because Adam chose to live by knowledge rather than by spirit, it meant that this is the realm he chose to live in.  The story of Noah's ark speaks to the curse being reversed.  But it's going to take a flood to do it. 

A natural flood?  Nope, a spiritual one.  It's the passage that speaks about the knowledge of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea.  That, to me, is a flood.  And just as the natural flood led Noah into a new beginning, this flood is going to do the same for us in that as the Scripture specifically states that the ark of Noah (Noah means rest) comes to rest ( rest comes to rest) upon mount Ararat, which means the curse is reversed, that is a picture of God reversing the curse that Adam initated. 

It came through the cross which redeemed the heart of man back to the Father, but it also  redeemed everything else that was also affected by the curse, included this earth.  But in this natural realm, the earth, and those who live on it, are bound to time.  So "in time" this earth will be returned to it's original state.  Which means, spirit will become the primary realm once again and flesh will become secondary.

So that which is invisible now, will be the visible realm to all, and that which is visible now, will still exist, but it'll be invisible.  The spirit realm and the natural realm will reverse roles.  So in the way I'm seeing it, Ray Smith is right on with his vision of things as well.  And so is your synopsis.  They are both right in that one, all things will be restored, and two, the physical will disappear, but still exist,  and the spiritual will become visible.

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Re: What do they mean by Physical and spiritual things?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2010, 06:58:53 PM »

First God created man, in His image (spiritual). Genesis 1:26
But there was no man to till the ground. Genesis 2:5
Then, He put them in the Garden (physically enclosed him). Genesis 2:8
A garden within a garden!

Cross referencing one day, I read that the way God made man was that He overshadowed him.
The same way the Spirit overshadowed Mary with Jesus.


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Re: What do they mean by Physical and spiritual things?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2010, 07:28:13 PM »
 :cloud9: Which is interesting, because when you look up some of the words, some mean, "shadow". Him overshadowing us, is Him encasing us in flesh, that IS a shadow, ie. an image of the real. Blessings...
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Re: What do they mean by Physical and spiritual things?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2010, 08:34:52 PM »
I was reaching for sleep after my prayers last night when this very subject aided me. I believe that we have the impression of spirit from what we have not been taught today or in the ages past.
And those brethren who have not been called out from Babylon are the major voice in how the population today, whether they be within the walls of an assembly, reading a book,  sitting in a movie theater, or at home watching TV understand spirit.
I cant imagine a sermon on spirit, but there should be; spirit is the very substance, it
was stated earlier in a post, that God Is Spirit. It is a sermon that should be preached and taught, for it is of spirit that all things are.
On another site a post was made or answered, that God created the world out of nothing, I had to answer back that it was not so. And I gave him Col.1:16-17. and that God is spirit and that all things are made out of spirit. There was no reply. L. Ray Smith has done a great job on this subject, he woke me up to what surface scratching if any has been taught by orthodox religion and theology. This verse is where it began for me

Heb 11:1  Now faith is a well-grounded assurance of that for which we hope, and a conviction of the reality of things which we do not see.

Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: What do they mean by Physical and spiritual things?
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2010, 09:51:58 PM »
 :cloud9: AMEN  :thumbsup:
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Re: What do they mean by Physical and spiritual things?
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2010, 06:54:30 AM »
CLV  Ecc 3:11 He has made everything fitting in its season; However, He has put obscurity in their heart So that the man may not find out His work, That which the One, Elohim, does from the beginning to the terminus."

NASB  1Co 13:9  For we know in part and we prophesy in part; 10  but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away.

Even Paul admitted he only knew in part and prophesied in part! I believe Paul understood Ecc 3:11 more than we would ever know!  :2c:

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