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The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« on: September 14, 2009, 06:24:53 AM »
There are many people here who are relatively new to the Tentmaker community. 
I highly recommend this as one of the books that I consider a must-read to those who are new to the knowledge of Universal Reconciliation through Christ:

THE INESCAPABLE LOVE OF GOD
http://www.thomastalbott.com/
Ours is not to make up anybody's mind, but to open hearts.
You cannot plough a field by turning it over in your mind.

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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2009, 06:54:25 AM »
Even though I've been studying the topic quite a bit (for a few months now, since I came to lean towards and believe, more or less, in UR), would it be a good book for me to pick up, Anne?


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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2009, 09:00:13 AM »
Tim,

It's a nice book. But I think you have heard all the arguments already. Nice read but don't expect anything in-depth.
http://www.universal-publishers.com/book.php?method=ISBN&book=1581128312  for the first 25 pages
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2009, 09:46:19 AM »
I think it is good for those who are new to UR.  If you want something in depth, you might consider 'The One Purpose of God' by Jan Bonda.   It is more scholarly.
However, I still recommend Tom Talbott's book.  I like to have a collection of UR writings on hand that I can refer back to.   I don't think books are obsolete because one never knows when they could lose internet access. 

anne -
Ours is not to make up anybody's mind, but to open hearts.
You cannot plough a field by turning it over in your mind.

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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2009, 10:21:52 AM »
That's why I have most stuff downloaded to my PC.
Besides of that I don't like reading more than 10 pages from screen.

Thanks for the book suggestion. Much of the book can be read here:
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=glnVftANWQAC&pg=PA20&lpg=PA20&dq='The+One+Purpose+of+God'+by+Jan+Bonda&source=bl&ots=txxBIbJdIO&sig=_9e93Y5DcU1Se5rQDB2KH2wgEJg&hl=en&ei=QuytSv7-E435-Aaks6C9Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false

1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2009, 10:45:06 AM »
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/
Only shipping costs.
Or free download of the revised edition. http://hopebeyondhell.net/Revised_Edition.pdf
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2009, 07:12:04 PM »
http://www.hopebeyondhell.net/
Only shipping costs.
Or free download of the revised edition. http://hopebeyondhell.net/Revised_Edition.pdf


Thanks everybody, for the suggestions. I'll have to look into all three of these books.  :bigGrin:

BTW: I know somebody, a friend of my uncle's, who is reading Hope Beyond Hell. The Good News is spreading!  :bgdance:

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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2009, 08:54:38 PM »
The Inescapable Love of God is definitely a must read. Not sure if I still own a copy with some of the nonsense of the last few years, not to mention going thru the fire and flood with the beginning of this year :mblush:

If there were a top 20 list that no personal library should be without, besides Elhanan Winchester's "The Universal Restoration" and Andrew Jukes' "Restitution of all things" this would be another one of them.  I'm not sure that Jan Bonda's book is really heavy on scholarship, but it's a thorough book as a UR commentary on the whole book of Romans.  Jan Bonda's book was the book that got thru to me with UR when Charles Slagle's "Absolute Assurance" (first edition) didn't quite get thru to me on the subject. So, I'll always have a personal fondness for Jan Bonda's book 'cause I still even remember the page number that got thru to me.

Harold Lovelace's book is also a must read for those that already have the message down and aren't necessarily looking for a good argument for it, but are wanting to have a handy collection of most of the Scriptures that cover the subject in one easy to reach for resource.  I'm hoping he's already got the second edition out with much more Scripture, but if not, the old faithful one with over 600 passages of Scripture that are either the specific promises, principles, and precepts of the Bible regarding the Universal Restoration or that establish the correct usage of the Scriptural vocabulary so that we know we're supposed to take these Hebrew and Greek words to specifically mean these things is still a good resource: http://www.haroldlovelace.com It's basically a good study outline to not only take you thru the specific verses from the KJV that promise the Universal Restoration, but also the other verses that help to establish that this is the correct reading of those Scriptures.

It's startling to think thru it as someone with either a Charismatic or Word of Faith background that those of us in those camps believe in the atonement's provision of wisdom, the baptism with the Holy Spirit, the realities of righteousness and being a totally born again man, and God's provisions of protection, renewal of youth, healing, wholeness, and wealth, including financial, [as well as dominion in and of this life,] probably on fewer Scriptures than Dr Lovelace has compiled in that book on the subject of the Universal Restoration.  Yet whole hospitals and cemetaries have been emptied out on these other Biblical truths, over the course of the 130yrs they've been emphasized, but yet even the most faithful in UR circles have emotional struggles with the faithfulness of God -- most of which is from not being well grounded in the other truths I've just mentioned -- but, even with a Word of Faith background, it took me 42 months of going thru more Scriptures than Harold Lovelace does in his book before I could put my mind at ease after 20yrs of nothing but the eternal abandonment paradigm as a foundation to all of the rest.  In some ways, the Church background helped with knowing how to really hang on to God for the complete revelation of the Universal Restoration in the Scriptures until the Holy Spirit clarified that it was the teaching of all 31,173 verses of the Bible.  In other ways, might of helped to have started with an unchurched clean slate 'cause of fewer emotional bondages to an old system.  The unchurched come in with their own form of religious systems, but with not as many dogmas many times.

Another great book is the one that Randy Klassen put out "What Does The Bible Really Say About Hell?"  It's a good overview of every single passage in the Bible that has the word "Hell" in it, and it's remarkably thorough for a small book and ideal for something to whet someone's appetite for the subject as perhaps a tract -- although a hundred and forty-four page tract or however many pages it is.  But if you know of any real whiners about having to read a thick book, this is the one to hand them.

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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2009, 09:28:50 PM »
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Andrew Jukes' "Restitution of all things" this would be another one of them.

I heard this was a good one. Also there is a book by Andrew Jukes called The Law of the Offerings.

Google Book Link

I heard it was fascinating. In fact Mike Vinson based an entire audio series on the symbols of the offerings based on that book.








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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2009, 09:32:03 PM »
I got the Dutch (is original) version of Bonda's book.
Now looking at the reviews of Klassens book.

God is eternal;
Satan is not.
Love is eternal;
Evil is not.
Light is eternal;
Darkness is not.
Joy is eternal;
Misery is not.
Heaven is eternal;
Hell is not."

A minister once said "Why was it ever important to Christians that, for their own salvation to be meaningful, some others must be truly and ultimately damned?
Klassen pushes this fallacious reasoning to embarrassing extremes at times. In one passage he asks why Jesus waited till he was thirty years old to begin his ministry.
==> If he asks that simple question I wonder if the book has a solid background. Martin???

1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2009, 09:42:54 PM »
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Andrew Jukes' "Restitution of all things" this would be another one of them.

I heard this was a good one.
http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Restitution%20of%20All%20Things/restitutionindex.htm
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2009, 09:52:04 PM »
Nice!

Thanks!




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« Last Edit: September 18, 2009, 10:59:10 PM by WhiteWings »
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #13 on: September 20, 2009, 06:59:01 AM »
I got the Dutch (is original) version of Bonda's book.
Now looking at the reviews of Klassens book.

God is eternal;
Satan is not.
Love is eternal;
Evil is not.
Light is eternal;
Darkness is not.
Joy is eternal;
Misery is not.
Heaven is eternal;
Hell is not."

A minister once said "Why was it ever important to Christians that, for their own salvation to be meaningful, some others must be truly and ultimately damned?
Klassen pushes this fallacious reasoning to embarrassing extremes at times. In one passage he asks why Jesus waited till he was thirty years old to begin his ministry.
==> If he asks that simple question I wonder if the book has a solid background. Martin???



According to the orthodox Christian view of Hell, Jesus should have spent the entirety of his life warning people about Hell. I mean, how could you wait 30 YEARS to warn people about Hell, especially when they'd never heard of it in the Old Testament?? xD

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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #14 on: September 20, 2009, 09:59:58 AM »
A priest/teacher should be at least 30 year old.
So if Jesus started earlier He would breaking fathers law.

=>According to the orthodox Christian view of Hell, Jesus should have spent the entirety of His life warning people about Hell.

=>According to the orthodox Christian view of Hell, Jesus should have spent the entirety in hell.

The 3 days Jesus was dead in the grave He was tasting death (correct expression) and paying for our sins.
Sins against a infinite God takes infinite time to pay.  :blahgreen:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: The Inescapable Love of God - by Thomas Talbott
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2009, 10:14:45 AM »
Martin,

An excellent list you've provided.  I had the privilege of seeing/hearing Harold Lovelace in person at a conference.   I thank God for all the "Kingdom" teachers as they are sometimes called.

Anne
Ours is not to make up anybody's mind, but to open hearts.
You cannot plough a field by turning it over in your mind.