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shawn:

--- Quote from: ded2daworld on November 17, 2012, 07:18:23 PM ---I was discussing some science stuff with an atheist and we agreed to disagree.
He said, "Aren't you worried that I'm going to burn in hell forever?" (statement came out of nowhere)
I said, "What makes you think you'll burn in hell forever?"
He said, "because I don't believe in God or Jesus and done some bad things."
I said, (Here's where the flash came from)"You will eventually be united with God for 2 reasons.
1.) because it's not what you've done but what he has done for you and
2.) because it's not about who you are, but all about who he is"

He asked, "How can I know that for sure?"
I said, "once you know who God is and what he's all about, you'll see for yourself."
He said, "I'm not ready for that."
I said, "That's fine. You'll be ready when you're ready.

--- End quote ---

That was beautiful.

reFORMer:

--- Quote from: ded2daworld on November 17, 2012, 07:18:23 PM ---1.) because it's not what you've done but what he has done for you and
2.) because it's not about who you are, but all about who he is"

--- End quote ---
The change is wrought by exchange.  Our life for His.  I myself, as well as others I've known through the years, have fallen away from following Jesus because of missing this point.  The more you look for yourself to change, the less you find has changed.  We are not meant to be excessively introspective, but are meant to be Christ perceptive.  The more you look to Christ, His presence in your life, the more He is magnified and your life, being abandoned, is full of the character of that presence filling you.

jabcat:

--- Quote from: reFORMer on November 18, 2012, 06:17:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: ded2daworld on November 17, 2012, 07:18:23 PM ---1.) because it's not what you've done but what he has done for you and
2.) because it's not about who you are, but all about who he is"

--- End quote ---
The change is wrought by exchange.  Our life for His.  I myself, as well as others I've known through the years, have fallen away from following Jesus because of missing this point.  The more you look for yourself to change, the less you find has changed.  We are not meant to be excessively introspective, but are meant to be Christ perceptive.  The more you look to Christ, His presence in your life, the more He is magnified and your life, being abandoned, is full of the character of that presence filling you.

--- End quote ---

amen.   :thumbsup:

Deena:
Well said Ded. I, too, since coming to understand UR have been freed from trying to beat Jesus into people. Jesus will draw all to Himself. I don't have to act like a fireman to save someone who doesn't want to be saved. All are in His able hands.

ded2daworld:
Yes Deena,
When I was first a christian "evangelistic" christians told me that Jesus wanted everyone saved so it was up to me to tell them thay would burn in hell if they didn't let Jesus into their life. This kept my own parents, sister and 2 good friends to be aliented to me and my evangelistic spirituality. I couldn't understand because Billy Graham was like the most admired man on the planet and I thought I was only doing what he was doing. I stopped when I studied carefully what Jesus was doing and saw that he was no "super evangelist" while on earth.
Like the pool of Bethesda, there were a bunch of people lying around the pool waiting to get in the water for healing.
Jesus didn't walk around healing everyone at the pool, nor did he start preaching to them about the kingdom of God or warn of a fiery hell. Instead, he singled one guy out of the crowd and healed him.
I think if a fiery hell was waiting for the rest of the crowd, Jesus would have at least warned them.

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