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Re: Everything that can be changed will become METAMORPHIC
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2009, 10:32:46 PM »
Remorse?  I thought it was to be in obedience . . . there are things that I don't see that bad, but have had the conviction not to do them so there's no real remorse, just obedience to the voice within.

Again, for me . . .I really think it's important that we not miss the message . . .and that is to simply pursue Christ.  Nobody had to teach me how to be like my Dad . . . it happened because of two things . . .one, DNA plays a huge roll.  I was born with many of his traits and characterstics in me that required no mental discipline on my part . . .they just manifest in my maturity.  There are many things my Father did that I always told myself that I would never do or be like . . .and I was with him Sunday afternoon and watched how he dealt with my boys . . .either that or my brother's kids . .they were all in the same room . . .not sure who was doing it but someone was jumping on the couch in the other room in his line of sight and in mid-sentence he bellowed out at them to get off the couch, it's not made to jump on . . .ironically, it's a sectional that my wife and I gave them . .but no matter.

What struck me is, I've had the same complaints from my teenaged daughters that I do the same thing . . .it really struck me to see that even though I never sat down and told myself "I'm going to do this and think like that so I'll be just like Dad . . ."  In fact, if anything, I've done just the opposite . .yet there it is . . . I have just as many traits of my Father in me than I care to admit.   But the point is . . . everybody's salvation walk is tailored according to each individual.  Sure, there are the basics do's and don'ts . .but even then, it's the Holy Spirit that has the role of conviction, not us with each other.

If the seed of life is in you, then life will illuminate from you.  If you were birthed into religion through man's "image" of God . . .then that is what you're going to produce and others will see.  The self-discipline sounds like a noble cause, but it does little to manifest righteousness in you.

I mentioned there were two things that caused me to be like my Dad . .the one was the DNA thing . .the other is choice . . . there are things that my Father did that impressed me and had such an affect on me that I made a conscious decision that "I want to be like Dad" and so I would do things that "copied" him.  Suffice to say, the latter, unlike the former, is conditional.  I wanted to be like my Dad when I was awed by him . . . but when I was ticked off at him . . . that all changed.

I think our relationship with God fits this as well.  There are many who want to be 'like' God because they're awed by him .  . . but it's in vain because it's conditional . . .if circumstances change tomorrow, so does their desire to be like God . . . Think of that . . . someone is so enamored about God that they go to the inth degree trying their best to be like him . . .but then tragedy strikes . .a family member dies or some terrible thing happens and God is the first one that they blame.  For me, the reason why many choose to discpline themselves is because they're serving an image, not a Father.

If Christ is in you, the Father's DNA is in you and you begin being like your Father as you mature without even realizing it.  it didn't come by tithing, attending church regularly, praying a lot, or having the most accurate translation . . .it was in your DNA from the moment you said "Lord, come". 

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Re: Everything that can be changed will become METAMORPHIC
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2009, 08:45:30 AM »
The invitation of Christ in your heart is the evidence of repentence . . . I just thought it goes without saying. 

All repentence is to me is . . not so much what you're doing, but what you're thinking that causes you to do what you're doing.  Repentence is a paradigm shift in itself.  Accepting the finished works of Christ is a paradigm shift . . . it causes you to think differently  . . .thinking differently leads to doing differently . . . it's just that in some it takes longer to manifest, but that's not to say that it didn't happen.

Exactly, Nathan. Repentance is changing your mind. It's believing what God says about you rather than believing your experience.
God does not instruct us to pray to change His mind. He wants us to pray so that we'll know His mind.
 
"Prayer doesn't change God, it changes me." --C.S. Lewis

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Re: Everything that can be changed will become METAMORPHIC
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2009, 08:48:03 AM »
Wow, I was just going to say Nathan, but then you said it and then some!
God does not instruct us to pray to change His mind. He wants us to pray so that we'll know His mind.
 
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Re: Everything that can be changed will become METAMORPHIC
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2009, 09:12:09 AM »
I might see it a little differently, or maybe it's the same. Let's take your example of yelling at the kids for silly things.  It requires first seeing the light--to really see what you are doing--and then feeling remorse--that's not the type of father I want to be.  Then a conscious effort to change. Is there any reason that once you see the light you can't change?

But most of what we do daily is unconscious programming.   And, we never observe or analyze it.

Christ calls us to be conscious.
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Re: Everything that can be changed will become METAMORPHIC
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2009, 09:58:28 AM »
I might see it a little differently, or maybe it's the same. Let's take your example of yelling at the kids for silly things.  It requires first seeing the light--to really see what you are doing--and then feeling remorse--that's not the type of father I want to be.  Then a conscious effort to change. Is there any reason that once you see the light you can't change?

But most of what we do daily is unconscious programming.   And, we never observe or analyze it.

Christ calls us to be conscious.

Yeah, I think I see what you're saying here.
 
The conscious "effort" to change comes from the transforming power of recognizing Christ's life in us; specifically, Christ living His life through us. (I live; yet it is no longer I, but Christ) I think once you actually see that light, you have to change.

Once you really, truly see The Truth who is living in you, there's no going back, because it's just not possible to go back at that point! Christ in you, the hope of glory...
God does not instruct us to pray to change His mind. He wants us to pray so that we'll know His mind.
 
"Prayer doesn't change God, it changes me." --C.S. Lewis

God never had or needed a Plan B. He's still on Plan A.

Res Veritas Loquitur