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Encouragement for Weary Grace Warriors
« on: June 30, 2009, 01:47:19 AM »
The Bottom Line! --By Charles Slagle

So people are trying to scare "hell" back into you again? I understand what you're going through, my friend. It is sad that many of our fellow Christians have yet to grasp the obvious truth that gospel means GOOD news. Because they are (presently!) blind to the glory of our Heavenly Father's infinite love, they just will not open their hearts to ALL that the Bible teaches. They steadfastly ignore the many passages we show them that contradict the unbiblical hell dogma and reveal a far better God with a far better plan for His creation.

Why do they stubbornly keep trying to drag us away from this life-transforming grace and back into hell-based religiosity--which is ANYTHING BUT good news? And why do they seek to carry out this dark agenda by use of subtle (and not so subtle!) fear tactics? I'm so sorry for the grief this has caused you. Believe me, I have experienced the very same kind of flak myself! However, all I can tell you is that they are blind. And that is because God has not yet given them eyes to see the light of this glorious good news of Christ's total victory. The day will come when He will do it, of course. Even now, believe it or not, He is IN PROCESS of doing it. Don't you think so? Of course He is!   That is what the gospel is all about!   All people will eventually have the mind of Christ.

Meanwhile, however, when folks try to lure you back into hell-based religion, you will not waver as long as you calmly remain focused on THE BOTTOM LINE ISSUE. And it is simply this: If God does not save everyone, that is either because--

(1) He cannot

or--

(2) He will not.

Pure and simple, either one of these bottom line doctrinal concepts is rooted in arrogant, TOXIC religiosity. If it is true that God cannot help us unless we assist Him, then of course we will come to feel that Omnipotence needs our help, not vice versa! Or if He does not want to save all people, but only some of us, then some folks will be prone to boast (at least inwardly) that He loves them and hates others.

Can you see how self-righteousness and self-centeredness are the fruit of these bizarre concepts? The weak god who needs our help fosters pride and a false sense of superiority to other people, based on human performance. The biased god engenders pride in some people who feel that he loves them and despises others. Those who opt for this god can have a basic heart-attitude something like:   "I am sure that God has chosen ME for salvation, but I'm not so sure about YOU!"

Jesus refers to these kinds of self-centered religious perspective as "the leaven of the Scribes and the Pharisees" and warns us against ingesting it.

If God's success at saving us depends on our success at making wise and timely choices, then--bottom line--we are in control, not God. Salvation cannot not totally be His gracious work. No, we are our own saviors--bottom line. For God can succeed ONLY IF we weak, sin-impaired, unpredictable little humans do. This is absurd. Yet it is what is generally taught as "gospel" in the evangelical church realm. It is the empty philosophical balderdash commonly described in the old catch-phrase, "God helps those who help themselves."

This goofy, bogus wisdom is contrary to both Scripture and reason. As you know, the Bible clearly states that salvation is not of him who wills or runs but of God who shows mercy. Paul tells us that when we were "without strength" Christ died for the ungodly. The Lord Himself must be the Author and Finisher of our faith--just as the Bible says.

Otherwise our faith originates from ourselves and we have grounds for boasting in our own righteousness. We vainly imagine that the Lord did not seek us out and woo us and win our trust. No! We sought for Him and found him, and then chose to trust Him due to our own wisdom and diligence.

WHAT UTTER NONSENSE!

If at the end of the day, God's success in helping us depends on our success at helping HIM... if it depends on our shaping our own heart-motivations, responses and choices...then, let's face it: HE IS NO MORE RELIABLE THAN WE ARE. In other words, we are all there is of God--bottom line.

Actually, this is the "New Age" teaching in a nutshell. Atheism, cloaked in religious jargon! Why do professing Christians say they oppose New Age philosophy and yet constantly proclaim it themselves with slightly different semantics? Food for thought!

If number 2 is so, and God simply WILL NOT save everyone, (and some folks known as Calvinists do teach this) then He does in fact practice favoritism, despite many Biblical passages that clearly teach that He does not. This makes Him to be unjust, a liar, and a double-talking hypocrite.

Having come to embrace this whole gospel of God's infinite grace, you already know that the New Testament teaches that the Wisdom that comes from above does not show favoritism. And I'm sure you know that it also declares that God loves the WORLD, not just a mere part of it.

Furthermore, we read in the Bible that Jesus has come to seek and to save that which was lost--not merely some of that which was lost. And the first epistle of St. John also assures us that Christ died not only for the sins of Christians, but for those of the whole world. So again--to embrace this god of favoritism would be to settle for a warped understanding of our Heavenly Father that is at conflict with Scripture, conscience and reason.

This is the BOTTOM LINE.

Are you seeing it now?

It really is just that simple, my friend. So henceforth, when folks try to scare you back into the old hell-hyping religiosity by saying "But what if you're wrong?", etc.-- go back and prayerfully meditate on THE BOTTOM LINE issue. Are you willing to worship and adore a lesser god than the Glorious One who, as the lovely chorus says, "makes all things beautiful in His time"? If so, then you have only one of 2 bottom line god-versions (perversions!) that you can opt for. And both of these reek of the dung of prideful religiosity. They are the fabrications of self-righteous, self-centered, self-focused, God-dishonouring phariseeism.

And once again, that is simply because to opt for either of these actually means that you are choosing to worship either--

1) a god who cannot help us unless we help him. His success depends on ours. This unpredictable, wispy little god is widely advertized as "Unconditional Love" and claims "Omnipotence." Yet, at the end of the day, He is only as reliable as we are.

or--

2) a god who is cruel, hypocritical, double-tongued, one who hates many of his little neighbors while teaching us that we must love and show kindness to ours. Furthermore he insists that he does not practice favoritism, yet that is EXACTLY what he does.

And so I repeat once more--this is the BOTTOM LINE. Pure and simple.

Never forget it. Not ever. Then you can Savor and enjoy the real and lasting peace that only the True and Living God can give. Your heart yearns for that and so does His.

Yours with love and prayers,

Charles Slagle

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Re: Encouragement for Weary Grace Warriors
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2009, 02:23:21 AM »
Incredible, incredible article!

I've been worrying a bit about election and annihilation, and this really urged my thoughts in a better direction.  :bigGrin:

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Re: Encouragement for Weary Grace Warriors
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2009, 03:42:29 AM »
Yes!  Awesome encouragement!  Thanks Martin!

Is there a link to this somewhere?

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Re: Encouragement for Weary Grace Warriors
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2009, 04:01:17 AM »
I really like Charles Slagle...
One of my favorite articles is one called The Heavenly Dog.
It always makes me smile. :HeartThrob:
"I knelt to drink,
And knew that I was on the brink
Of endless joy. And everywhere
I turned I saw a wonder there."

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.

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Re: Encouragement for Weary Grace Warriors
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2009, 05:54:12 PM »
I really like Charles Slagle...
One of my favorite articles is one called The Heavenly Dog.
It always makes me smile. :HeartThrob:

Oh Lord, I can't get past the first few paragraphs.  It brings back too many memories!

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Re: Encouragement for Weary Grace Warriors
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2009, 07:10:05 PM »
I finally made it through... with copious amounts of tears  :mblush:.  I can't tell you how many nights like that I have agonized through and reliving that again even now is very difficult.  I never had a vision like that, but the moment that an acceptance of UR finally siezed hold of me must have, I'm sure, felt for me very similar to what he experienced.  Thank you for posting that, Sparrow.  I'm an emotional wreck now, lol, but it was worth it.  :bigGrin:

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Re: Encouragement for Weary Grace Warriors
« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2009, 07:43:13 PM »
I finally made it through... with copious amounts of tears  :mblush:.  I can't tell you how many nights like that I have agonized through and reliving that again even now is very difficult.  I never had a vision like that, but the moment that an acceptance of UR finally siezed hold of me must have, I'm sure, felt for me very similar to what he experienced.  Thank you for posting that, Sparrow.  I'm an emotional wreck now, lol, but it was worth it.  :bigGrin:

I had the exact same reaction the first time I read it.
"I knelt to drink,
And knew that I was on the brink
Of endless joy. And everywhere
I turned I saw a wonder there."

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.

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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2009, 07:52:05 PM »
I had the exact same reaction the first time I read it.

You know that great big hug emoticon where the smiley face wraps it's arms around someone?  Yeah, I needed that one to post here.  This was all I could find:

:Peck:

Perhaps you could consider it a holy kiss of fellowship  :Sparkletooth:

But the hug would've still been more appropriate.  :laughing7:

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Re: Encouragement for Weary Grace Warriors
« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2009, 08:02:32 PM »
Yes!  Awesome encouragement!  Thanks Martin!

Is there a link to this somewhere?

Link to what Lego?
The article?
http://sigler.org/slagle/bottom_line.htm
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Encouragement for Weary Grace Warriors
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2009, 08:40:14 PM »
I had the exact same reaction the first time I read it.

You know that great big hug emoticon where the smiley face wraps it's arms around someone?  Yeah, I needed that one to post here.  This was all I could find:

:Peck:

Perhaps you could consider it a holy kiss of fellowship  :Sparkletooth:

But the hug would've still been more appropriate.  :laughing7:

 :laughing7: 

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"I knelt to drink,
And knew that I was on the brink
Of endless joy. And everywhere
I turned I saw a wonder there."

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.

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Re: Encouragement for Weary Grace Warriors
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 08:21:25 AM »
That was GOOD.... :goodpost:  :Urock:

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Re: Encouragement for Weary Grace Warriors
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2009, 06:31:13 PM »
Yes!  Awesome encouragement!  Thanks Martin!

Is there a link to this somewhere?

Link to what Lego?
The article?
http://sigler.org/slagle/bottom_line.htm


Yes.

Thanks!

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Re: Encouragement for Weary Grace Warriors
« Reply #12 on: July 03, 2009, 11:16:47 AM »
You know, it's easy to be overwhelmed by the naysayers out there who would dismiss the ultimate love of God, but...

It's easy to remember when we all came to the knowledge of the truth, and what that felt like. I still remember when my hunch that hell was a myth was confirmed, and that there were others who believed as I did. It was a relief, it was a breath of fresh air, and it was a release from bondage into "being made free for freedom's sake".

Let none of us forget that feeling. Let none of us lose the memory of meeting love incarnate face to face. Let us all continue to proclaim the truth of the Gospel, and rest in the light that is Him.

"Onward, Christian Soldiers" takes on a whole new meaning for those of us to whom God has revealed this wonderful truth:

1.     Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
   with the cross of Jesus going on before.
   Christ, the royal Master, leads against the foe;
   forward into battle see his banners go!
   Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
   with the cross of Jesus going on before.

2.   At the sign of triumph Satan's host doth flee;
   on then, Christian soldiers, on to victory!
   Hell's foundations quiver at the shout of praise;
   brothers, lift your voices, loud your anthems raise.
   Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
   with the cross of Jesus going on before.

3.   Like a mighty army moves the church of God;
   brothers, we are treading where the saints have trod.
   We are not divided, all one body we,
   one in hope and doctrine, one in charity.
   Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
   with the cross of Jesus going on before.

4.   Crowns and thrones may perish, kingdoms rise and wane,
   but the church of Jesus constant will remain.
   Gates of hell can never gainst that church prevail;
   we have Christ's own promise, and that cannot fail.
   Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
   with the cross of Jesus going on before.

5.   Onward then, ye people, join our happy throng,
   blend with ours your voices in the triumph song.
   Glory, laud, and honor unto Christ the King,
   this through countless ages men and angels sing.
   Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war,
   with the cross of Jesus going on before.   
 
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