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Re: I tried.
« Reply #50 on: October 29, 2008, 08:12:34 PM »
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Tony wrote: It is obvious that since God is all knowing and all powerful and is Love, that since He flooded the earth that there was no better way, no more loving way, no wiser way to do it than the way God did it.
WW replied: Even then I keep seeing the above mentioned contradiction until God gives me the wisdom to understand.

Dear friend,
Please explain in detail how it is contradictory that God flooded the world. I fail to see the contradiction.

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Re: I tried.
« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2008, 08:18:47 PM »
Love is helping someone in need. Speaking comforing words etc.
Rescue people from drowning. Forgiving. etc etc
A God that uses every 'trick' to save/love His creation.
He's the good guy.

The flood isn't exactly God showing Himself as the good guy.
It doesn't align with the 'good image' of God.
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Re: I tried.
« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2008, 09:50:58 PM »
Love is helping someone in need. Speaking comforing words etc.
Rescue people from drowning. Forgiving. etc etc
A God that uses every 'trick' to save/love His creation.
He's the good guy.

The flood isn't exactly God showing Himself as the good guy.
It doesn't align with the 'good image' of God.

O.K. that's fair.
Let's say God did as you think He should have. Let's say He killed all the bad people over a certain age. Let's say that there were a billion people on the planet back then and that 300,000 of this billion are babies and children too young to take care of themselves. So all the adults get whacked leaving all the innocents to care for themselves. So all the innocents die a long lingering death by starvation. Does that sound more loving than a swift, peaceful death by drowning?
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Re: I tried.
« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2008, 10:16:46 PM »
Perhaps there where more people that where ok beside teh 8 on the Ark.
Perhaps He could have instantly grabbed the childrens spirit before they even got wet.
Otherwise I have no idea.
But then I'm not the one with an IQ of 10^endless

I know the Bible hold several mysteries that are revealed in due time. But the Bible also commands to study, seek the truth and learn to know Father/Son/HS
And part of knowing someone is his/her character.
So that's why it's on my mind and in this thread.

That's all. :declare:
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Re: I tried.
« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2008, 10:22:41 PM »
Hey guys, not saying this is the answer but two thoughts go through my mind concerning the flood.

First God did not flood the earth but took responsibility for it.
God said His spirit would not always strive with man, thus God removed His spirit (the same way he did with Job) and left the world in the hands of satan to wreak what he would.
Thus even thou God was not directly responsible for the flood He take responsibility for it because if He had not have removed His protecting spirit satan could not have had his way.

Second if one has total knowledge of the future (and I am sure God does) and God sees 100 people in the future that kill, rape, steal and do all sorts of abominations, knowing that we all reap what we sow, which would be more merciful of God to do, take those 100 peoples lives before they committed further sins or let them alone to kill, rape, steal etc?

For all we know God made the choice to spare the world further sorrow in the future.

Just some thoughts.

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« Reply #55 on: October 30, 2008, 06:52:00 AM »
There are things about Noah that weren't all that good either.  They look a lot worse if you consider probabilities of "reading between the lines" probes into the Biblical record.  "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD." (Gn 6:8)

God's promise that the seed of woman (an egg, an exclusively female form that was the initial manifestation of the incarnation) would crush the head of the serpent (snake, copper,divination,discernment, cast a spell) may have come close to being subverted by certain "sons of God" or, the "Rephaim," born of "sons of God" and human females.  Whether it was Angelic beings not keeping to their assigned sphere of being (per Book of Jude) descending into the physical or possibly the biologically bisexual offspring of Adam before he was put into a deep trance state (from which we are not awakened until Christ shines on us) where God separated the curved chamber from his (bottom) side, constructing it into a female.  It is possible that one of these were the ANUNNAKI (Sumerian meaning:  "Those who from heaven to earth came," Biblical Anakim, Nephilim) that have been said by the Sumerians (the oldest culture, possibly including pre-flood, who preceded the Chaldeans from which Abraham was called out) to have visited earth in it's early history.  There is much surprising information corroborating accurate knowledge (not gone into here) of the nature of relevant planets we call Neptune and specially Uranus, which Sumerians called MASH.SIG meaning it's color blue-green, different that of other planets and only re-discovered by Voyager 2 in 1989 fly-by.  Interesting that the largest (inverted, step) pyramid in the solar system (as far as we know) is on Mash.sig, etc.

By making a hybrid between two species there would be no more "seed of woman" to fulfill God's word.  The Great Deluge was the remedy.

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Re: I tried.
« Reply #56 on: October 30, 2008, 04:32:27 PM »
Hi James

In Numbers 13:33 the sons of Anak were called Nephilim or in the Concordant Version of the O.T. "distinguished."

These sons were not a cross breed between angels or spirits and females. Likewise, in Genesis 6:2 we have:

"And seeing are sons of the elohim the daughters of the human, that they are good, and taking are they for themselves wives of all whom they choose."

"elohim" is in lower case because the elohim were arbiters or judges as in Exodus 21:6.

These sons of the arbiters or judges were trying to amalgamate their powers by marrying daughters directly from Adam. And so God finally had his fill of this and all the evil attending it.

I am kind of curious. Can you point me to a source on the internet about a pyramid on Neptune?

By the way, we put, what you wrote to me some time ago, in the Saviour of All Fellowship newsletter.

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« Reply #57 on: October 30, 2008, 09:43:17 PM »
The inverted step-pyramid is on Uranus.  Recent Science channel programs seem to sidestep and possibly falsify information about that planet.  Jet Propulsion Labratory spokesman said under it's gaseous atmosphere there is a 6,000 miles thick ocean of super-heated water.  Its temperature is as high as 8,000 degrees F.  JPL or NASA would be places to search for it.  Pyramids on Mars and Uranus, yet we won't research our own!  At the Great Pyramid of Giza, between the paws of what is (as far as the inner building over which the present "form" is molded) possibly the oldest man-made structure on Earth, the Sphynx, there is straight down (I forget how deep) an empty place, a  cubical room.  The Egyptian government forbids archeologists from digging.  If one of you remembers how many cubits on a side and how deep it is, please help my memory.
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Re: I tried.
« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2008, 03:12:30 AM »
Dear James,
Please go here and take note of the temperature on Uranus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranus

It is in the minus zero numbers.

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« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2008, 04:06:58 AM »
The following is excerpted from the same article:

Uranus' core density is around 9 g/cm³, with a pressure in the center of 8 million bars (800 GPa) and a temperature of about 5000 K.[51][52] The ice mantle is not in fact composed of ice in the conventional sense, but of a hot and dense fluid consisting of water, ammonia and other volatiles.[7][52] This fluid, which has a high electrical conductivity, is sometimes called a water–ammonia ocean.[53]

I get conflicting information on Uranus.

What I shared about "the sons of Elohim" is speculative, but not baseless.  For me it seems like too many possibilities with insufficient information to put to rest all but what is in fact the truth of the matter.  Certainly, for as little as I've probed, my knowledge is inadequate for a satisfying conclusion to the matter.
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Re: I tried.
« Reply #60 on: October 31, 2008, 04:54:01 AM »
A water-ammonia ocean.  Ugh.

How disastrous.  But, I'm sure that place is clean.  No bugs.

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Re: I tried.
« Reply #61 on: October 31, 2008, 12:37:39 PM »
Maybe a more clear article:
http://www.nasa.gov/worldbook/uranus_worldbook.html

http://library.thinkquest.org/C002416/uranus/index.htm

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Uranus is made up of a swirl of gases, liquids, and solids. It has no solid surface to stand on. The solids have settled to the center of the planet. These include silicon, iron, and a basalt like rock. The core of Uranus is about the size of Earth. At the outer edge of the core, he solid elements mix with the atmosphere around the rock. It is an ocean that is about 5,000 miles deep. It is thought to be mostly water and a mixture of liquid ammonia and methane. An interesting thing about Uranus' ocean, is that it is extremely hot-almost 8,000 degrees Fahrenheit. At the surface of this ocean, there is a gaseous layer that is 4,000 to 5,000 miles deep. This layer of atmosphere is mostly liquid hydrogen, methane and some helium. The methane gas gives Uranus its blue-green color. Above the gas layer is another layer made of hydrogen and helium.
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Re: I tried.
« Reply #62 on: October 31, 2008, 03:56:53 PM »
The following is excerpted from the same article:

Uranus' core density is around 9 g/cm³, with a pressure in the center of 8 million bars (800 GPa) and a temperature of about 5000 K.[51][52] The ice mantle is not in fact composed of ice in the conventional sense, but of a hot and dense fluid consisting of water, ammonia and other volatiles.[7][52] This fluid, which has a high electrical conductivity, is sometimes called a water–ammonia ocean.[53]

I get conflicting information on Uranus.

What I shared about "the sons of Elohim" is speculative, but not baseless.  For me it seems like too many possibilities with insufficient information to put to rest all but what is in fact the truth of the matter.  Certainly, for as little as I've probed, my knowledge is inadequate for a satisfying conclusion to the matter.

Hi James, you may be right.
This is what Nasa has on Uranus:
 
The temperature of the atmosphere is about -355 degrees F (-215 degrees C). In the interior, the temperature rises rapidly, reaching perhaps 4200 degrees F (2300 degrees C) in the ocean and 12,600 degrees F (7000 degrees C) in the rocky core. Uranus seems to radiate as much heat into space as it gets from the sun. Because Uranus is tilted 98¡ on its axis, its poles receive more sunlight during a Uranian year than does its equator. However, the weather system seems to distribute the extra heat fairly evenly over the planet.
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« Reply #63 on: October 31, 2008, 04:06:46 PM »
An interesting thing about Uranus' ocean, is that it is extremely hot-almost 8,000 degrees Fahrenheit




Sure feels that way after eating too many jalapenos.


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Re: I tried.
« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2008, 04:16:18 PM »
Paul I think you need to read this quote:

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The standard way to pronounce Uranus among astronomers is to put the emphasis on the first syllable "ur" and then say the second part "unus". This is the standard literary pronunciation. The more common way people have pronounced it is u-ra-nus, with the "ra" sounded like "ray".

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Uranus (pronounced YOOR un nus)


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Re: I tried.
« Reply #65 on: October 31, 2008, 04:19:28 PM »


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Re: I tried.
« Reply #66 on: October 31, 2008, 06:11:16 PM »
Just like little children.
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Re: I tried.
« Reply #67 on: October 31, 2008, 06:28:21 PM »
Just like little children.


Well, thats how we are supposed to come before Jesus.    Then He goes  "Pull my finger"



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Re: I tried.
« Reply #68 on: November 01, 2008, 04:47:05 AM »
Just like little children.


Well, thats how we are supposed to come before Jesus.    Then He goes  "Pull my finger"

But what if He says, "Paul, you've been a naughty little boy. I want you to repeat slowly 10 trillion times 'Ura nus.' That's 'Yuruh-nus.' Got it? Now run along like a good little boy and begin working on that."  :mshock:
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Re: I tried.
« Reply #69 on: November 01, 2008, 09:06:25 AM »
Just like little children.


Well, thats how we are supposed to come before Jesus.    Then He goes  "Pull my finger"

But what if He says, "Paul, you've been a naughty little boy. I want you to repeat slowly 10 trillion times 'Ura nus.' That's 'Yuruh-nus.' Got it? Now run along like a good little boy and begin working on that."  :mshock:

I'll go tell his Father he was being mean!!!!

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« Reply #70 on: November 01, 2008, 10:54:54 AM »
Just like little children.


Well, thats how we are supposed to come before Jesus.    Then He goes  "Pull my finger"

But what if He says, "Paul, you've been a naughty little boy. I want you to repeat slowly 10 trillion times 'Ura nus.' That's 'Yuruh-nus.' Got it? Now run along like a good little boy and begin working on that."  :mshock:

Someone with such a vast love surely has a spark of humor in him....
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« Reply #71 on: November 02, 2008, 07:01:10 AM »

Someone with such a vast love surely has a spark of humor in him....
A spark around all that methane?
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« Reply #72 on: November 02, 2008, 08:20:44 AM »

Someone with such a vast love surely has a spark of humor in him....
A spark around all that methane?
What a blast to be in Heaven  :laughing7:
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Re: I tried.
« Reply #73 on: November 03, 2008, 03:20:52 PM »

Someone with such a vast love surely has a spark of humor in him....
A spark around all that methane?
What a blast to be in Heaven  :laughing7:

We will be in the heavens (plural) and among the celestials. I believe we will go amongst the vast interstellar reaches of the universe.
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« Reply #74 on: November 03, 2008, 04:47:21 PM »

Someone with such a vast love surely has a spark of humor in him....
A spark around all that methane?
What a blast to be in Heaven  :laughing7:

We will be in the heavens (plural) and among the celestials. I believe we will go amongst the vast interstellar reaches of the universe.

Isn't the whole creation uncreated at some point in time?
Excluding 'the spirits' or whatever the correct name might be.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...