I love you too, Seth.
Glad you're not taking me discussing this in a bad light. I appreciate that.
I understand that their faith is a witness to us, I get that. But that faith is not surrounding us by being dead and buried and in a tomb, and frankly, if that is the extent of faith, then what do I need to believe any different from the heathen for, then? For they have faith that lands them in the tombs, too.
Even Jesus said, "she's not dead, she sleepeth", and they that were present laughed Him to scorn. When I sleep, I'm not really dead, I'm just not "with it" and it could be said at that moment, that I know nothing (some might argue that point exists when I'm awake as well, but I digress
God never intended for man to die; they were free to eat of ALL the trees in the garden (except the tree of knowledge of good and evil) including the tree of life. He said in the DAY that ye eat of it ye shall sure die, and sure enough Adam lived a few decades under that PERFECT day of 1000 years, and then he died.
They were removed from the presence of that "tree" to keep them from eating of it in their fallen state and living forever in that fallen state. We hear this thought echoed in the NT where it talks about there being no more remission for sins after we have tasted of the heavenly gift and willfully transgressed.
So someone tell me again; why.....after gaining entrance to it again, and eating of the tree of life, are we STILL all dying?
Let me share what I've seen. Our souls must come into union with His Spirit; this is the sanctification, and the first resurrection, for if we make ourselves (our soul and body) a living (Adam was made a living soul) sacrifice by tying ourselves down on the altar with cords of love that cannot be broken, then out of that "death" comes life, the life of UNION.
There were two sets of curtains/veils in the tabernacle. Going thru the first is as the rending of OUR flesh as we laid down our lives to enter into the Spirit which is Christ, symbolized by the walk of the priests from the outer to the inner court. This is not an instantaneous thing, you don't go from 30 ford to 60 fold, you start at 31, and walk out your own salvation (means deliverance) with fear and trembling, in this realm.
In the outer court it is spirit salvation, but the inner court begins soul salvation process, for we are saved, spirit, soul, and body, which is why the apostles said they/we are waiting for the redemption of our bodies, because they had already been working on the sanctification of their souls in the inner court experience that is Pentecost.
This why the souls that have not made it to the end of this union, because it was not time yet in God's timeline, have not just "ceased to exist", because their bodies have died. Why? Because Pentecost was a wedding, and their soul was being prepared as a spotless virgin bride to be consummated by His Spirit that it might produce a SON. Fullness of times, is as the fullness of a womb, that is getting ready to unveil the firstborn Son.
If those souls ceased to exist, this is no different than when in the NT He was asked about divorce. He told the Pharisees that because of the hardness of your hearts Moses (the law/letter understanding) allowed a bill of divorcement. Hardness of heart is a Hebrew understanding that means "dull of hearing". So what He was saying to them was, that since you refuse to listen to the Spirit behind the letter, the letter/Moses will allow you to put away your wife/soul = DIE.
This is the reason why anyone joining themselves to "she that is divorced" committeth adultery. She that is "divorced" in this understanding, is one of the souls that have been "put off" by her husband for "fornication", which is being joined to another SPIRIT that is not His = not sanctified. This is the real reason why we are told not to talk to the dead (necromancy), as in not "joining" ourselves to a "divorced woman/soul", for indeed if they knew anything (the dead know nothing) of lasting value apart from the Spirit (unless they were born out of season), they would not be dead!
And they are not ours to join ourselves to, but are HIS bride, and He will attend to her after He attends to the firstfruits, ie. those that ARE DEAD IN CHRIST (from laying their lives on the altar, yet live in a body = firstfruits) shall arise first, then those that are alive (have NOT died to self to enter FULLY into union with Christ, whether in a body or NOT) and remain, shall be caught up to meet Him in the "air" = His breath/Spirit.
Any questions as to who is alive and who is dead, Jesus said let the dead bury the dead, YOU FOLLOW ME. Blessings.....