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Bible.Ca Article Hybrid-Universalism Refuted
« on: October 19, 2012, 09:51:36 PM »
 :icon_jokercolor:  There is this Article on the Internet
type it in on Yahoo  Search Engine, called  Hybrid-Universalism Refuted
Bible.ca  the Interactive Bible, and other articles on that Site that go against UR :dunno2:

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2012, 09:56:37 PM »
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Re: Bible.Ca Article Hybrid-Universalism Refuted
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2012, 12:14:08 AM »
Ha! the good old Matt 25:46 argument  :winkgrin:

Few views.
http://home.online.nl/spamfree/matthew%2025_46.htm
http://home.online.nl/spamfree/matthew%2025_46_2.htm
http://home.online.nl/spamfree/matthew%2025_31-46_3.htm
http://home.online.nl/spamfree/sheep_and_goats.htm
http://home.online.nl/spamfree/sheep_and_goats.htm

My personal view is even simpler but doesn't conflict with the above.

The people in Matthew 25:46 do not recieve eternal life.




                         ------correction for the sinners---|
                        |                       
This life=========Death-|                                   |=====groups merge ===>Unending life for all.                             |
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                         ------life for the saints----------|



Everlasting life starts when Father becomes all-in-all.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Bible.Ca Article Hybrid-Universalism Refuted
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2012, 01:29:32 AM »
My understanding is, there is no such things as everlasting life for us humans. Only God is, and has been everlasting.

Our immortal life will not end but it will have a beginning. Everlasting has no beginning or end.

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Re: Bible.Ca Article Hybrid-Universalism Refuted
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2012, 09:59:33 AM »
Everlasting has no beginning or end.
imo  that's eternal.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Bible.Ca Article Hybrid-Universalism Refuted
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2012, 04:53:00 PM »
There is a difference:
Everlasting= no beginning, no end
Eternal= beginning but no end.

"God who ALONE is immortal..." would indicate only God
but "this mortal shall put on immortality..." would indicate God AND us
"God being the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last..." would indicate God will be last alive but since we are alive in him then we will also be the last. We were never the first.
 
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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Re: Bible.Ca Article Hybrid-Universalism Refuted
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2012, 05:51:49 PM »
There is a difference:
Everlasting= no beginning, no end
Eternal= beginning but no end.
Not according to the Oxford dictionary.

Eternal
1. a.A.1.a Infinite in past and future duration; without beginning or end; that always has existed and always will exist: esp. of the Divine Being.

Everlasting
1. a.A.1.a Lasting for ever; infinite in future duration; endless;


That said they have equal duration. Infinite.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Bible.Ca Article Hybrid-Universalism Refuted
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2012, 10:09:39 PM »
That's the problem WW... I was using 1st Ded2daworld Dictionary :laughing7:
I think dictionary writers aren't up on theological doctrine.  It may just be semantics
Besides, I haven't been wrong about something for almost 12 minutes. :doh:
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

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What about the other Verses in the Article
« Reply #8 on: October 26, 2012, 11:15:49 PM »
 In that Article

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Other Articles on Bible.ca Website
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2012, 07:52:46 PM »
   What about other Articles on the Website :Peace2:

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Re: Bible.Ca Article Hybrid-Universalism Refuted
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2012, 08:08:23 PM »
There is a difference:
Everlasting= no beginning, no end
Eternal= beginning but no end.
Not according to the Oxford dictionary.

Eternal
1. a.A.1.a Infinite in past and future duration; without beginning or end; that always has existed and always will exist: esp. of the Divine Being.

Everlasting
1. a.A.1.a Lasting for ever; infinite in future duration; endless;


That said they have equal duration. Infinite.

Not exactly true:
eternal has infinite past + infinite future = infinity + infinity = 2x infinity
everlasting has infinite future = infinity = 1x infinity

Of course you can make the argument that 2x infinity = infinity, but the math is not that easy...  :laughing7:

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Re: Bible.Ca Article Hybrid-Universalism Refuted
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2012, 08:40:38 PM »
There is a difference:
Everlasting= no beginning, no end
Eternal= beginning but no end.
Not according to the Oxford dictionary.

Eternal
1. a.A.1.a Infinite in past and future duration; without beginning or end; that always has existed and always will exist: esp. of the Divine Being.

Everlasting
1. a.A.1.a Lasting for ever; infinite in future duration; endless;


That said they have equal duration. Infinite.

Not exactly true:
eternal has infinite past + infinite future = infinity + infinity = 2x infinity
everlasting has infinite future = infinity = 1x infinity

Of course you can make the argument that 2x infinity = infinity, but the math is not that easy...  :laughing7:

of course if you search the usages in the scriptures there is no consistency in the translation of the two. You will find eternal and everlasting interchangeably used along with forever to translate the same Greek word in different verses- and sometimes even within the same verse.

And these shall go away  into everlastingG166 punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.G166
(Mat 25:46)

The point is moot therefore, because the word olam (Hebrew)was translated aion(Greek). Olam was a word used for a variety of indefinite conditions of time and world, meaning "unkown" or "unknowable" or "other-wordly". That is why aion gets translated age in someplaces;world in others;forever,eternal,everlasting in others- the actual meaning cannot be defined without context.

When connected through context to God it means transcending time forward and backwards. When used with the future lives of the redeemed it means forward everlasting. When used of those who go into the lake of fire it means until they have "paid the last penny" i.e., bowed the knee and confessed with their mouths Jesus Christ as Lord to the glory of the Father.

"For this reason God has given Hom a name above every name that at the name of Jesus Christ every knee shall bow and every tongue confess......:o)
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