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glenda

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What most convinces me
« on: July 01, 2009, 11:05:52 PM »
The thing that most convinces me of the truth of Universal Restoration and Redemption (besides ample bible verses) is logic. Number one being that God is Perfect. Any doctrine which doesn't reflect the fact that He can only be utterly Perfect, cannot be true. If God were not only excellent, then even He, Himself could not endure (being imperfect)..
 - The 'end' result of all this (life as we know it, and all of history) can only be the very best one possible. Anything else is impossible. Because God can only be (and is) utterly Perfect, and part of that Perfection is all (His) Powerfulness.
 - But this too, in my opinion, can be applied to any idea or doctrine no matter how near and dear, or how entrenched or weaved into our perceptions or faith it may be. If something cannot stand up to the truth - God is Perfect - it cannot be true.
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Re: What most convinces me
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2009, 04:50:35 AM »
Thumbs up Glenda...God is perfect, and what else could be expected in the end except a perfect ending..Amen..... :goodpost:
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Re: What most convinces me
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2009, 04:52:51 AM »
Quote from: SPOKENFOR on July 02, 2009, 04:50:35 AM
Thumbs up Glenda...God is perfect, and what else could be expected in the end except a perfect ending..Amen..... :goodpost:

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"I knelt to drink,
And knew that I was on the brink
Of endless joy. And everywhere
I turned I saw a wonder there."

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.

Offline Tim B

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Re: What most convinces me
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2009, 05:16:29 AM »
I also think that UR is extremely convincing logically speaking. ET is absolutely ridiculous logically speaking. Annihilation makes a little more sense, but then the question arises, "If God wants all men to be saved, then didn't he make it happen?" UR is the only one that answers that question. God wants all men to be saved, so he WILL save all men. Also makes sense from Loving Father. My father would not annihilate me, and if my Heavenly Father is perfect I can't expect him to either. Father's discipline. They don't annihilate.
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1 Timothy 4:9-10:

 9stedfast [is] the word, and of all acceptation worthy;

 10for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of all men -- especially of those believing.

Proverbs 10:12:

Hatred stirs up dissension,
    but LOVE covers over ALL wrongs.

Offline ducktapehero

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Re: What most convinces me
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2009, 06:04:11 AM »
Quote from: glenda on July 01, 2009, 11:05:52 PM
The thing that most convinces me of the truth of Universal Restoration and Redemption (besides ample bible verses) is logic.
I agree 100%. That's why I always had such a problem with an eternal hell. It is completely illogical that an all good and all powerful God would need such a place.
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1st Timothy 4:10....we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe.

SPOKENFOR

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Re: What most convinces me
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2009, 05:28:16 AM »
Quote from: sparrow on July 02, 2009, 04:52:51 AM
Quote from: SPOKENFOR on July 02, 2009, 04:50:35 AM
Thumbs up Glenda...God is perfect, and what else could be expected in the end except a perfect ending..Amen..... :goodpost:



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Offline Tony N

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Re: What most convinces me
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2009, 10:35:04 PM »
Glenda, think what this universe would be like it God really were like the God of Christendumb? We could never rely on Him for anything. He would always need PR men (ministers) trying to make Him look good. He and His Son would forever be failures.
I am thankful He is perfect!
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Just because God says He will save all mankind
does not necessarily mean He won't.

Freedom_in_Christ

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Re: What most convinces me
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2009, 05:51:15 AM »
I feel that there is great irony in the fundaMENTAList church calling those, like myself, who believe in Universal Salvation heretics. I simply believe in a few simple things about God...
1) God is Sovereign over ALL THINGS.
2) ALL means ALL.
3) No one comes to the Father accept through Jesus Christ.
4) Some day, every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
5) God wills that ALL(see #2) men shall be saved and come to a full knowledge of the truth (1 Tim 2:4).
6) When God WILLS something to be done, it WILL be done !!!(see #1).
We only disagree upon the timing and location of this repentance unto salvation.

I believe that God will do what He said He will do...... and they call me the heretic???  :mshock:

Glenda, God is perfect and even though we may be persecuted and even shunned for our beliefs, remember that God's perfect love casts out all fear.

In Christ.
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Re: What most convinces me
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2009, 06:05:15 AM »
I now have the grace to understand how the early martyrs withstood the persecution.
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Re: What most convinces me
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2009, 06:36:49 AM »
not
     Avarice
               nor
                    Hubris
                             nor
                                  Ambition
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SPOKENFOR

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Re: What most convinces me
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2009, 02:48:27 AM »
Quote from: Beloved Servant on July 14, 2009, 06:05:15 AM
I now have the grace to understand how the early martyrs withstood the persecution.


Quoted for Truth.... :)
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Re: What most convinces me
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2009, 11:12:33 PM »
Quote from: SPOKENFOR on July 02, 2009, 04:50:35 AM
Thumbs up Glenda...God is perfect, and what else could be expected in the end except a perfect ending..Amen..... :goodpost:
Amne not just a happy endingrather a perfect one :thumbsup:
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