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rockclimber

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An Eternal Hell Isn't LOVE!
« on: October 15, 2007, 03:30:33 PM »
This came from a commentary that i read. Your thoughts please.
One of the biggest mistakes in traditional Christianity is the mistranslation of two words into "eternal" that actually mean an age- a stated period of time. From this St. Augustine came up with the eternal hell and punishment reward system. God is so UN-LOVING that He came up with a plan to send 90% of His created beings to an eternal hell, and especially infants and babies who've not been ritually baptized or old enough to say the name of JAY-ZUS! How can the church keep peddling such blatant and obvious crap?

In the Old Testament the Hebrew olam is the word most translated as forever.

In the New Testament the Greek aionios is the most common word translated as forever or eternal. Young's Analytical Concordance to the Bible and Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible the words everlasting and forever are most often translated from the Hebrew olam or the Greek aionios. Depending upon the Bible you use (which one is the real Word of God I ask tongue-in-cheek), aionios is translated as either forever or "age", a specified period of time. Aion or aionios in and of themselves say notnhing about a duration of TIME, other than in contextual application.

Olam (OT) sacrifices which were translated as forever or eternal (can you say Lev. 6:18 or 17:17) were abolished by Jesus (Heb 10:10-14). They're not still with us- not everlasting, not eternal! Covenants, slaves, David's throne, cities, and many other things that were said to be eternal can be added to that list as well as many other things that ARE NOT ETERNAL!

Thank you JAY-ZUS! 

But on to the NT aion and what is commonly believed (contrary to fundamentalist fear-preaching) to mean forever, everlasting, and on and on.

>From Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, the Greek word aion is said to mean age or a human lifetime.
>The Analytical Greek Lexicon (Pub. Zondervan), the Greek word aion is said to mean "a period of time of significant character; life; an era; an age."
>William F. Arndt and F. Wilbur Gingrich's A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, the meaning of aion is "time, age."
>Lexicons in Young's and Strong's concordances, the Greek word aion also is indicated as meaning an age or time.
>And many others.

The Greek word aionios is merely an adjective that comes from the noun aion. When the Septuagint was translated, the translators used in many cases the Greek word aionios for the Hebrew word olam. And then St. Augustine went on his HELL binge saying, and I quote, "The unjust will burn to some extent so that all the just in the Lord may see the JOYS that they receive and in those may look upon the punishments which they have evaded."

Say what? 

An eternal hell is simply NOT who Jesus said God was and IS!

And I am going with what JESUS, the Christ, said!

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Re: An Eternal Hell Isn't LOVE!
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2007, 04:43:15 PM »




Why will the church keep feeding people this crap? ha

Romans 10:19 is the only thing I can think of..........

But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation

 I will anger you.


and

Isa 52

As many were astonied at thee;

his visage was so marred

more than any man,

 and his form

more than the sons of men:

martincisneros

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Re: An Eternal Hell Isn't LOVE!
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2007, 11:17:36 AM »
An ETERNAL hell WOULD BE love if that's what Love had declared as a clear intent, promise, threatening, etc., from the very beginning and had clarified as much in the curse of the law in Deuteronomy 28 and every other place where His punishments were announced.  However, genuine love intending that wouldn't have left it on the ambiguous side as to that being His ultimate intent.  The reason the Bible's ambiguous on that, though, and the translators really have to reach and stretch their periphrastic work is because the Bible doesn't teach it from cover to cover.  That's the point.

An ETERNAL hell WOULD BE love if that's what LOVE had declared from the beginning, whatever our own thoughts and feelings happened to be in the matter. 

If the Bible honestly taught it, I'd honestly teach it.  I don't have the least emotional investment in the issue one way or the other. 

However, it's not what the Bible teaches and for that we can all shout "YAY!!!"

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Re: An Eternal Hell Isn't LOVE!
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2008, 11:43:21 PM »
I noticed an unregistered guest reading this.  And simply going on the title alone, I was about to click on it and answer it in pretty much the way that I apparently did answer this one.  If an eternal Hell is honestly the best that love could do for those who weren't reclaimed either before or after a certain point, then the best thing that eternal love could do would be to incarcerate it's failures to at least preserve the bliss of the righteous. 

But we're not left to our own speculations, theories, conjectures, etc. in this matter because the Scriptures tell us a very definitive end to each and every sin and a very definitive reclaiming of each and every life.  There's not a person reading this or that will ever read this that will ever fall short of the glory of God again because of Jesus Christ.  You're predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus Christ and after all that He's been through to carry you that far, don't even think for a minute that your free will or that of any one else's will supercede His own free will in the matter!

Get a copy of the movie The Passion of the Christ and when He's His ABSOLUTE Bloodiest, hit the pause button and look into that Bloody, Bloody Precious Face and say, "But in the lives of countless people who never heard and/or were obstinant and stiff necked, all of this will one day prove to have been a [total] waste where they're concerned!"  I dare you.  And make note of your knocking knees over such an unholy assertion, and let that tell you something even if your current level of understanding of theology isn't giving you the big picture :cloud9:

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Re: An Eternal Hell Isn't LOVE!
« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2008, 12:15:01 AM »


Get a copy of the movie The Passion of the Christ and when He's His ABSOLUTE Bloodiest, hit the pause button and look into that Bloody, Bloody Precious Face and say, "But in the lives of countless people who never heard and/or were abstinent and stiff necked, all of this will one day prove to have been a [total] waste where they're concerned!"  I dare you.  And make note of your knocking knees over such an unholy assertion, and let that tell you something even if your current level of understanding of theology isn't giving you the big picture :cloud9:

       That was a powerful statement.      And for the record,  my favorite scene in the Passion movie was after his arrest,trial, and scourging, when Jesus was taken to bear the cross.  Right after they took Jesus to where the cross was on the ground,  Jesus EMBRACED it!!!!!!!     If you think about that it can bring you to tears.

 
For all those who live in the shadow of death,  a glorious light has dawned!  And for all those who stumble in the darkness,   behold,   your light has come!!