Salvation for ALL takes place after death because there is no one who escapes the reality of this life simply by saying they believe, no matter what doctrine it is.
Do you not believe that there is a salvation planned for us in this life?
Most heartily I believe so as well as I believe that has been the plan of God for man from before the beginning of the creation story. From the time that God said that He had already made man in His image (God is spirit and so is man)
yet planned to make man in both His image AND His likeness (that is the soul of God that is the very essence of Jesus Christ)
He has had that as His plan and you can fit the whole Bible between the part of the plan that has already happened and what is still yet to be accomplished.
The likeness of God is the fullness of the seven fold Spirit of the Lord as recorded in Isa 11:2....... this is the realm that Jesus Christ existed in who was and is the pattern Son for those who are heirs with Him....... For sure this is not something just for after we die and we see that in the prayer when Jesus taught us to pray for His Kingdom to come to earth for us to have life abundantly in this life.
However from the beginning it was prophesied in the scriptures for this not to come forth in us as God's finished work until this 7th day that is the same as the third day His Temple (us)
would be completed. IMO the only thing that needs to be established in the timeline is whether we at at the end of 6th day or have actually broken into the dawn of the 7th day.
No one says that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy spirit,
What about Satan who not only knows that Jesus is Lord but trembles at the mere mention of His Name.......... something I wish more Christians would do.
Heck I walked into a situation once where there was a Satan worshipper present who made a public scene moaning and crying saying she could see my deceased mother who worshipped Jesus Christ every day of her life sitting on my shoulder watching out for me and commanding her what to say to me...... this women was a "leader" of a local satanic worship in South Florida but was utterly terrified of what my mother was saying to her......... the real kicker is that at that time I was not yet following after the Lord that IMO is also showing foreknowledge on the part of the spirit of Satan within his workers that in time I would become a man of God. For sure when I have been called to minister unto possessed persons I have found the evil in them to be easily dominated by the Holy Spirit in me
The final analysis is that for sure Satan as well as his workers know that Jesus is Lord and they can even see His anointing on those whom He has chosen even when those individuals are not yet aware of it........ For another example look what happened in the scriptures when Jesus approached the man they called legion because he had so many devils in him Luk 8:28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, [thou] Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
Luk 8:29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.)
Luk 8:30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
Luk 8:31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
What is the point of being forgiven, if you are not saved?
Then my question to you is what is the point of one "being saved" if one not being taught how to overcome sin and become holy and perfect as God is and as we are commanded to become as by Jesus?
Because of Christians committing sin after they have become believers is why Jesus said there would be believers appointed their reward along with the unbelievers that we see together in Revelations 20 at the GWT. Point is that we are suppose to be learning to overcome sin but it has gotten so bad that many unbelievers consider Christians because of their dishonesty to be the absolute worst possible people to do business with ....... no wonder Jesus has no place to rest His head and why he called the church to be amongst other things "the synagogue of Satan".
What exactly are you saying is the fate of the unbelievers in this light, maybe you should be more specific.
I do not know their fate but for sure with some Christians being held accountable with only a few stripes but others with more you can bet your bottom dollar that those who totally rebuke and reject Jesus will also pay a price. However I think it would be much better for the gospel of universal restoration if the UR camps at least talk realistically to members of the ET camp when they ask what happens to all the bad people of the world when they die rather then say that they are all being loved on by Jesus in heaven when the reality is that they are wishing they had done their lives on earth a lot differentlyLuk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not [himself], neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many [stripes].
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few [stripes]. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more
What is more specific is that I tell both Christians and unbelievers alike is that you will obtain perfection no matter how imperfect you are and that today is the day of salvation for we are under grace and are not being judged according to the law therefore man is not killed when they do things like covet or bare false witness. For some people that is going to be very painful process but for others not quite as bad....... Revelations shows those around the throne who were given robes of righteousness having come out from "great tribulation".
This time that we live in should not be used to rejoice in what we have been given but to seek after what we have not yet obtained........... and that is to appear unto God and unto man at least in the same persona that the Apostles did.
No, I'm not caught up in a "stone age doctrine", I don't believe in a rapture (never have before), ET, or Satan going from good to evil. What I do believe is that God has a PLAN. One that He made before he made the world, and one that no one can change.
Good, we are on the same page in that regard.
Isa. 14:12 is talking about the king of Babylon, unless you forgot the the evil city of Capernaum was also "exalted to heaven".
Hmmm is that all you think of these passages that they are only speaking of some individuals who have exalted themselves above God that btw was also a sin of Adam?
In that case lets go over to Ezekiel and look at another example and see what you think.
Do these verses sound like different men who just have a bad case of a big head........
Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;
every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
When Isaiah spoke of the man "Lucifer" that the NIV calls to be the "morning star", these are titles given to a son of God and not just to any old king with a big head...... What we are reading about in these scriptures is the fall of mankind that is called Adam who was in the garden and was created perfect before he fell or in other words became less than the perfect state that he was first created in.
As you said God does have a plan and that plan is for a restitution of what was lost in the garden when Adam sinned that resulted his getting the boot out from a relationship of righteousness with God that was not seen again until Jesus Christ appeared on earth
Other than Eve sinning through lust before she partook of the fruit I have already addressed your other two questions in my reply to Paul