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Offline Tony N

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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #525 on: March 05, 2009, 11:36:46 PM »
Quote from: WhiteWings on March 05, 2009, 08:18:11 PM
Thanks Andy.
I have that picture somewhere hidden in my archive.
It actually made me grin a bit.

"Christ reigns for ever and ever"
And then the next sentance:
"Christ quits reigning"

If the chart is correct or not I can't say. It's kinda hard reading pictures when being blinded  :laughing7:

It says "Christ reigns for ever and ever" then says "Christ quits reigning" to prove that "for ever and ever" can't be unending. Get it?
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #526 on: March 05, 2009, 11:54:02 PM »
Nope. Not a clue what you mean :mblush:
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #527 on: March 06, 2009, 07:55:07 AM »
"You cannot change the past, but you can ruin the present by worrying about tomorrow."

peacemaker :boredom:
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #528 on: March 06, 2009, 08:01:59 AM »
Quote from: peacemaker on March 06, 2009, 07:55:07 AM
"You cannot change the past, but you can ruin the present by worrying about tomorrow."

peacemaker :boredom:

Not to mention the past catching up to the present.   :mshock:
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #529 on: March 06, 2009, 08:08:40 AM »
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on March 06, 2009, 08:01:59 AM
Quote from: peacemaker on March 06, 2009, 07:55:07 AM
"You cannot change the past, but you can ruin the present by worrying about tomorrow."

peacemaker :boredom:

Not to mention the past catching up to the present.   :mshock:

I'll think about that one, tomorrow!  :laughhand:
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #530 on: March 06, 2009, 01:43:23 PM »
Quote from: peacemaker on March 06, 2009, 08:08:40 AM
Quote from: Paul Hazelwood on March 06, 2009, 08:01:59 AM
Quote from: peacemaker on March 06, 2009, 07:55:07 AM
"You cannot change the past, but you can ruin the present by worrying about tomorrow."

peacemaker :boredom:

Not to mention the past catching up to the present.   :mshock:

I'll think about that one, tomorrow!  :laughhand:
or- Today is the Tomorrow you worried about Yesterday :icon_flower:
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #531 on: March 06, 2009, 01:49:17 PM »
Today was yesterday's tomorrow
Today will be tomorrow's yesterday
Yesterday's today was yesterday
Tomorrow's today is tomorrow
Yesterday's day after tomorrow is tomorrow
Tomorrow's day before yesterday was yesterday
The day before yesterday's tomorrow was yesterday
The day after tomorrow's yesterday is tomorrow
The day before yesterday's day after tomorrow
And the day after tomorrow's day before yesterday
Are both today
The day after tomorrow's tomorrow
And the day before yesterday's yesterday
Are both too far away
Todays turn into yesterdays
Tomorrow never comes
I think my tomorrow is today
Or maybe it was yesterday
Damn
I'm not sure which is which, anyway
So this is all I have left to say
Don't worry about the future
Don't turn your mind to the past
Just live this moment while it lasts
For far too soon it will also pass
And don't forget
Today's today is today
Where does all the time go?
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #532 on: March 06, 2009, 01:53:28 PM »
Quote from: WhiteWings on March 06, 2009, 01:49:17 PM
Today was yesterday's tomorrow
Today will be tomorrow's yesterday
Yesterday's today was yesterday
Tomorrow's today is tomorrow
Yesterday's day after tomorrow is tomorrow
Tomorrow's day before yesterday was yesterday
The day before yesterday's tomorrow was yesterday
The day after tomorrow's yesterday is tomorrow
The day before yesterday's day after tomorrow
And the day after tomorrow's day before yesterday
Are both today
The day after tomorrow's tomorrow
And the day before yesterday's yesterday
Are both too far away
Todays turn into yesterdays
Tomorrow never comes
I think my tomorrow is today
Or maybe it was yesterday
Damn
I'm not sure which is which, anyway
So this is all I have left to say
Don't worry about the future
Don't turn your mind to the past
Just live this moment while it lasts
For far too soon it will also pass
And don't forget
Today's today is today
Where does all the time go?

 :laughing7:  :icon_flower:
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #533 on: March 06, 2009, 03:33:02 PM »
Quote from: Taffy on March 06, 2009, 01:53:28 PM
Quote from: WhiteWings on March 06, 2009, 01:49:17 PM
Today was yesterday's tomorrow
Today will be tomorrow's yesterday
Yesterday's today was yesterday
Tomorrow's today is tomorrow
Yesterday's day after tomorrow is tomorrow
Tomorrow's day before yesterday was yesterday
The day before yesterday's tomorrow was yesterday
The day after tomorrow's yesterday is tomorrow
The day before yesterday's day after tomorrow
And the day after tomorrow's day before yesterday
Are both today
The day after tomorrow's tomorrow
And the day before yesterday's yesterday
Are both too far away
Todays turn into yesterdays
Tomorrow never comes
I think my tomorrow is today
Or maybe it was yesterday
Damn
I'm not sure which is which, anyway
So this is all I have left to say
Don't worry about the future
Don't turn your mind to the past
Just live this moment while it lasts
For far too soon it will also pass
And don't forget
Today's today is today
Where does all the time go?

 :laughing7:  :icon_flower:

AS IF THESE THREADS AREN'T MIND-BLOWING ENOUGH . . .I THINK I JUST FELL OFF THE HEAP!!! :BangHead: :btantrum: :help: :crywipe:

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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #534 on: March 06, 2009, 06:45:00 PM »
 :cloud9:  :thumbsup:  :laughing7:
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #535 on: April 15, 2009, 02:34:43 AM »
Mods,

Why was my last post removed?
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #536 on: April 15, 2009, 02:36:26 AM »
Quote from: Apocatastasis on April 15, 2009, 02:34:43 AM
Mods,

Why was my last post removed?

My guess would be that they wanted to let sleeping dogs lie, partly because this thread hasn't been active for awhile.
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #537 on: April 15, 2009, 02:43:01 AM »
Quote from: Apocatastasis on April 15, 2009, 02:34:43 AM
Mods,

Why was my last post removed?
With a Name Like APOC...how could anybody like ya :icon_king:

just blasting on ya Bud....Great Name... :icon_flower:

It wasnt me...maybe it was James..hes been around a lot lately....or Martin...maybe they will explain bud....
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #538 on: April 15, 2009, 03:08:26 AM »
I removed it Apoc, as it classifies as baiting...no need to get an argument started back up just for the sake of it.  IMO, if the other party that was specifically addressed had posted the same thing in reverse, that would have also needed removed.  If there's really something to discuss related to the topic, that's great, no problem.  If you request, I'll remove the posts from your last Q down through this one if you prefer.  James.
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #539 on: April 16, 2009, 03:08:09 AM »
Awe shucks, I missed the bait?
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #540 on: May 17, 2010, 06:47:41 PM »
The first Christians, it will be seen, said in their creeds, "I believe in the æonian life;" later, they modified the phrase "æonian life," to "the life of the coming æon," showing that the phrases are equivalent. But not a word of endless punishment. "The life of the age to come" was the first Christian creed, and later, Origen himself declares his belief in æonian punishment, and in æonian life beyond. How, then, could æonian punishment have been regarded as endless?
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John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #541 on: May 17, 2010, 07:06:34 PM »
Philo adopts athanaton, ateleuteton or aidion to denote endless, and aionian temporary duration.
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Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #542 on: May 30, 2010, 11:55:30 PM »
aidos is clearly temporary in jude 1:6
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #543 on: May 31, 2010, 09:09:09 AM »
I agree with that. But I must add the post, a quote, was not really about aidos but about aionian.
Many ETs (are starting to/forced to) agree aion is age and not "for ever". But they still claim aionian is eternal. This thread is an example of it. So my last two quotes from an e-book show that both Christians and Philo that aionian as not "for ever".
The e-book even shows an example that aionian is used for a timespan of three generations.
The quotes are mainly from the early church fathers. I found it intrestingly enough to post but not enough to start a whole new thread about it so I just added it to an old thread on the same topic. That's all. :friendstu:
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John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #544 on: May 31, 2010, 01:26:58 PM »
 :cloud9: That's very interesting to me that you found it listed for 3 generations; He said He would curse them to the 3rd and 4th generation. Blessings....
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Re: Aionios: Let's clear the water
« Reply #545 on: May 31, 2010, 01:57:03 PM »
Quote from: Cardinal on May 31, 2010, 01:26:58 PM
:cloud9: That's very interesting to me that you found it listed for 3 generations; He said He would curse them to the 3rd and 4th generation. Blessings....
You can find the whole reference (1/3 of page) HERE on page 25 under "Philo's Use of the Words."
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John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...
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