1 john 5:16 meaning?

[Beloved Servant]

Trust me the world would be a much better place if he has already returned.

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1 John 4:

2 In this know you the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God,

3 and every spirit that confesses not Jesus is not of God; and this is the spirit of antichrist, of which you have heard that it comes, and now is in the world already.

    

What the Scripture is saying is plain.

That Jesus Christ is come; present tense.

Not that He has come in the past or that He will again in the future. That is the spirit of antichrist!

CHRIST IS COME. HERE AND NOW.

[peacemaker]

...but I think he is one of the God's with his own personality, ... as a Christian he will be our companion for eternity and gives us eternal life.

Truth is a Revelation, the SPIRIT IS ONE. Where it is not accepted, carnality reigns.

Trinitarian-ism is not a mystery, it is a contradiction that leads to separation.

peacemaker

[peacemaker]

Pensively (marked with sadness), the disciples were anticipating the coming of the SPIRIT.

"You KNOW him, beloved, for the SPIRIT dwells WITHIN you."

[WhiteWings]

David,

I checked 25+ translations and about half uses "is" the others use "has".
I expect it's the famous aorist tense, (was is and keeps coming) but I don't have  a translation that make this clear.
Well that's abit of  alie.... I have a homemade online translation that show aorist tense. I don't really trust teh translation. Anyway according to that translation lots and lots of words are aorist. It has great consequences; for example it means that the whole book of Revelation is happening for nearly 2000 years.

[Cardinal]

  Yes, it is, because it's happening within the temple, and we are His temple. John said, it was in the temple, yet everyone is looking outside themselves for things to happen.

Those things that happened to the Jews were for our example, us, the heirs of salvation. All those countries and peoples listed in Revelation no longer exist (or as they did, now), but the message they were used to convey along with Israel's battles with them, does.

They were written for our example and understanding of the interior dynamics of the soul vs. the Spirit and of the Word and the Spirit working in unison to bring about the Revelation of Jesus Christ, who is IN US. Blessings...

[Beloved Servant]

Amen Card and WW.

I feel like I've been fighting for 2000 years!

Awhile ago, I started to wonder if anyone besides the LORD Jesus is finished the race.
Hidden away, here on earth, waiting for the rest of the body of Christ to stand up.

[WhiteWings]

Awhile ago, I started to wonder if anyone besides the LORD Jesus is finished the race.
Hidden away, here on earth, waiting for the rest of the body of Christ to stand up.

That's exactly what i meant when I wrote

It has great consequences; for example it means that the whole book of Revelation is happening for nearly 2000 years.

IMO it means a lot of (confusing) things. for the last 2000 years people have been ressurected. Cast in LoF. Entered eternal life. The trumpets etc happend over and over 
But I want to say I again that I have no translation with aorist rense in it so all the above is based on pure assumptions I can't check!

To make it even more complex.. Think about what it means if Genesis writes about the aorist-coming of Jesus...
Or Jesus been slain from the foundation of the world. (That's actually hidden in the very first Hebrew word of Genesis)

[Cardinal]

  I know what it would mean. It means He's in His creation and has been all along. He hid Himself in the last place man would look; in man.  Blessings....

[thinktank]

David,

I checked 25+ translations and about half uses "is" the others use "has".
I expect it's the famous aorist tense, (was is and keeps coming) but I don't have  a translation that make this clear.
Well that's abit of  alie.... I have a homemade online translation that show aorist tense. I don't really trust teh translation. Anyway according to that translation lots and lots of words are aorist. It has great consequences; for example it means that the whole book of Revelation is happening for nearly 2000 years.

It is easy to figure it out by just looking at the other scriptures. Jesus said, where I go you cannot come, I go to prepare a place for you, in my Fathers house are many mansions (The fathers house in not upon the Earth but in heaven)

Jesus is saying that he is in heaven, and none of his disciples could go and see him, but I will not leave you comfortless I will send you another, notice he doesn't say I will send myself again.

If he's in heaven as stated then John is talking about those who deny Jesus has come not is come, otherwise the words about Jesus sending another comforter are also wrong, also the words about Jesus in heaven also wrong, if that is true then the bible is becoming weaker and that is not good for the faith.

[Cardinal]

  You know, they've since taken it out in later printings, but I have an older Strong's that lists "mansions" as also having a meaning of "nests"......think feast of Tabernacles with their booths, which are like upside "nests".  Blessings....

[thinktank]

...but I think he is one of the God's with his own personality, ... as a Christian he will be our companion for eternity and gives us eternal life.

Truth is a Revelation, the SPIRIT IS ONE. Where it is not accepted, carnality reigns.

Trinitarian-ism is not a mystery, it is a contradiction that leads to separation.

peacemaker

The 3 Gods are one, which we call God. They are not like us humans who fight over who is the best etc. They exist in perfect harmony for they are God. There is a reason why Jesus calls God his Father and there is a reason why God the Father calls his son, Son, who else is known as the only begotten son of the living God?. They have a relationship that can only be described in Earthly language as the relationship between Father and Son, both equal in many ways, but the Father has the final mark of authority on matters, the holy ghost is also mentioned as Gods spirit and even groans for us and makes intercession for us. What kind of power groans? To me the holy ghost is also a God and makes up what we call God.

[peacemaker]

What kind of power groans?

"Sighing deeply in Spirit for those held in captivity."

peacemaker

[Cardinal]

  He groaned within Himself......it's the power of love, of a birthing as a woman with child travailing for it to be born. Blessings...

[thinktank]

He groaned within Himself......it's the power of love, of a birthing as a woman with child travailing for it to be born. Blessings...

 

God is love

Holy Ghost, loves??

[thinktank]

Trust me the world would be a much better place if he has already returned.

www.codex-sinaiticus.net/en/manuscript.aspx?book=55&chapter=4&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0

1 John 4:

2 In this know you the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God,

3 and every spirit that confesses not Jesus is not of God; and this is the spirit of antichrist, of which you have heard that it comes, and now is in the world already.

    

What the Scripture is saying is plain.

That Jesus Christ is come; present tense.

Not that He has come in the past or that He will again in the future. That is the spirit of antichrist!

CHRIST IS COME. HERE AND NOW.

« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2010, 03:03:32 PM »
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beloved servant
 
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.



Was it fun in the clouds? Why did you choose to come back?

[Beloved Servant]

I do not understand your post.

Is that another sarcastic remark like the vulgar poem you made up about Willie that the mods deleted?

If so, the joke went right over my head.

[micah7:9]

Trust me the world would be a much better place if he has already returned.

www.codex-sinaiticus.net/en/manuscript.aspx?book=55&chapter=4&lid=en&side=r&zoomSlider=0

1 John 4:

2 In this know you the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God,

3 and every spirit that confesses not Jesus is not of God; and this is the spirit of antichrist, of which you have heard that it comes, and now is in the world already.

    

What the Scripture is saying is plain.

That Jesus Christ is come; present tense.

Not that He has come in the past or that He will again in the future. That is the spirit of antichrist!

CHRIST IS COME. HERE AND NOW.

« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2010, 03:03:32 PM »
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beloved servant
 
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.



Was it fun in the clouds? Why did you choose to come back?

I too, do not understand your post, but I, my friend am in the clouds now and am learning much and I only desire a much higher  relationship in the clouds. 
Peace and Love Through Jesus

[Beloved Servant]

Thinktank,

My reply #13 that you quoted me from is on a completely different thread.

What do you "think" you're doing here?

No wonder that I did not understand your post.

Practiced deception.

[thinktank]

I do not understand your post.

Is that another sarcastic remark like the vulgar poem you made up about Willie that the mods deleted?

If so, the joke went right over my head.

Ha I knew you didn't like it. Vulgar is a bit strong, of a word, it's only a body part, have you read the old testament? the vulgarity happening is plain to see. God sanctifies and blesses all the body, but if it has made you feel bad then I am sorry.

[Beloved Servant]

Don't apologize to me.

And, I am being polite using the term vulgar to describe your post about WillieH.

Is disgraceful more to the point?

[thinktank]

Thinktank,

My reply #13 that you quoted me from is on a completely different thread.

What do you "think" you're doing here?

No wonder that I did not understand your post.

Practiced deception.

Well as you can imagine I don't enjoy being hinted that I have the spirit of the antichrist, particularly after all the great posts here, which I hope have blessed many, as I have enjoyed being here interacting with fellow belivers in Jesus.

[Beloved Servant]

Yes, you are a credit to your religion.

[thinktank]

Don't apologize to me.

And, I am being polite using the term vulgar to describe your post about WillieH.

Is disgraceful more to the point?

You need to lossen up a bit, The joy of the lord is my strength.

[thinktank]

Yes, you are a credit to your religion.

Thank you I like all people enjoy appreciation, but the credit belongs to the lord Jesus Christ.

[Cardinal]

  Guys, please take a timeout from each other.....I don't want to have to lock this thread. Blessings...