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wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« on: October 19, 2012, 09:20:46 PM »
Hello there,

since about half a year I have the gift of interpreting a speech in tongue.

I can speak in tongues for about 6 years now, and from early on I sometimes caught a word or two from my tongue speaking and knew what it meant. But since these 6 monts I can often say what entire sentences meant.

So today I was praying to God what to do with my life and I spoke in tongues for a while and then I prayed about what it meant and I knew it meant this:

"Go with your views to other people and tell them you love the world and that you would like to do something that helps."

I asked God specifically about UR and prayed some more and then I knew God said:

"This is about love and about wishes of man which are fully understandable."

I must add that while I believe in UR I still associate with ALL christians and pretty much follow standard (modern) christian doctrine. IE, I enjoy having women pastors and full acceptance of gays and things like that, but I maintain the trinity, the resurrection, that Jesus will return some day, that we must be careful about esoterics and things like that.

Maybe this is the way to go, instead of taking UR and sailing away with it, to embrace it within christianity and to make sure to stay in church and to keep the core teachings of christian orthodoxy.

I am so glad that God has spoken, and I'm gonna see if I can do something for the world with others. I'd like to encourage everyone to keep positive beliefs about God, that the old concept of God wanting to destroy things could be seriously overstated and that in fact God loves our world, even when it's sometimes mad and bad.

God bless you!

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #1 on: October 20, 2012, 05:34:53 PM »
 pretty much follow standard (modern) christian doctrine.
Even when the Bible plainly contradicts it?
By full acceptance of Gays do you mean condoning their sin?
We are to love the sinner but not condone the sin - and make no mistake, the Bible no where in any way condones homosexuality. I'm not homophobic, I would be the same with adulterers, fornicators, murderers, theifs - loving the sinner but in no way condoning the sin.
The bible also does not condone in any way groups (other than womens groups) being led by a woman.
I also wonder why God, who is not the author of confusion would have you speak in a tongue you didn't understand and then tell you what He wanted. Why not just tell you first?
You say you want to stay in the church and "keep the core teachings of christian orthodoxy" does that include ET?
I still attend an ET church but I guarantee you, ET is orthodoxy and UR is considered blasphemy by most.
Peace and grace and love to you and whatever you decide and may God guide your life.
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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #2 on: October 20, 2012, 05:59:46 PM »
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The bible also does not condone in any way groups (other than womens groups) being led by a woman.

Oh where is Cardinal when we need her??

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2012, 06:06:05 PM »
I it is about love and the wishes of man"..but just not the 'Will" of God....

   while noble in love for mankind that is in her.  Jeremiah 51;9  we would have healed Babylon

  but she can not be healed........

        these things Must occurr.........

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2012, 06:14:20 PM »
   there have been many past posts on the subject of the role of women in worship.  there is neither

   male nor female in Christ.  now Paul said some things..as always that may be hard to understand...

   and people 'twist" them. ww if he would be ever so kind..could problably link it for us..

   there are two women...Babylon and Jerusalem Above....which woman do you think it is

  lawful for her to teach her children.?  are the two women's children distinct? are the two women?

   

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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2012, 06:29:01 PM »
From Him and through Him and to Him are all things.

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2012, 06:43:07 PM »
thank you :HeartThrob:  but really,I shudder at the name 'teacher'...I'm no teacher...but a sharer with all

  of what the Holy spirit teaches .

    Paul talked about the man being formed first..and then the woman......note the birth of the manchild

  caught up to the throne in Rev 12..the women with the 12 stars on her head...it is always  about..

  the foolish and the wise virgins..the discerning of the spirits..the spirit of presumptousness and the

  spirit of wisdom from Above.   there is no law against the spirit[of the free woman]...


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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2012, 07:26:32 PM »
thank you :HeartThrob:  but really,I shudder at the name 'teacher'...I'm no teacher...but a sharer with all

  of what the Holy spirit teaches .
Long ago Someone made similar statements  :Chinscratch:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2012, 10:59:21 PM »
Ded, I am of the view that the proscriptions against homosexuality in the mosaic law are largely irrelevant as the law was pretty much a jewish thing except for some core teachings that are really universal. It's kind of like a really odd work of didactic art that was used to give the jews a special identity.

About what Paul writes, I think it is good to see it with more discernment. I think Paul writes against immoral homosexuality, not against the normal homosexuality. Specifically, I have read in Barclay's commentaries that in the greek and roman societies of Paul's time there were men who held other young men and even boys as sex objects that they "played" with besides being married. I also think there are instances of homosexuality where men simply go after kinks that they find in sex or porn shops and that's not in God's will either. But when two men or two women love each other and are attracted to each other and it all goes the orderly way and Christ is honored and everything else then I think that homosexuality is ok and that gay marriage should come soon because it's a good thing.

By the way, sin doesn't always mean a specific crime or transgression, it means the personal malady that you can't fulfill your purpose and find into the "normal" happiness of life in God. Basically, a person living in sin means someone who would always miss his purpose, not that he would actually be a great criminal or transgressor. In that sense, it is also a sin when someone doesn't find forgiveness ... sin is not always about something that I did wrong or that God hated or so, instead it describes an unholy life, an incomplete and spiritually lacking life.

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #10 on: October 20, 2012, 11:13:53 PM »
I generally agree about the Levitical Laws.

I think Paul writes against immoral homosexuality, not against the normal homosexuality. Specifically, I have read in Barclay's commentaries ... But when two men or two women love each other and are attracted to each other and it all goes the orderly way and Christ is honored and everything else then I think that homosexuality is ok and that gay marriage should come soon because it's a good thing.


But I personally believe there are many (including "experts") who try to twist and explain away what Paul clearly said, but Christ is not honored in sin.  This has been discussed here before, and the words in the Greek Paul used clearly mean same sex sex and same sex lust.  Yes, there was apparently prostitution and pedophilia, but those are separate issues and are used as a distraction to excuse the sinful behavior Paul was discussing here.  Also, besides that, he specifically says clearly that men lying with men, burning in their lust for each other, women leaving the natural use of the man [and joining to women instead], etc. is sin and brings judgment.  No fancy words there.

I don't believe there is "normal homosexuality", just as there is no normal adultary, murder, lying - no acceptable or orderly sin.  We are required to resist the urges and weaknesses of the flesh, instead turning them over to God for deliverance, and if not deliverance, strength and grace [such as abstaining, and forgiveness when we fail].  As ded said, [call sin what it is], reject and teach against it, while loving the sinner.  IMO, doing otherwise [condoning] is not loving.  It is assisting down the road to destruction.   We are clay, we have weaknesses and inclinations and dispositions/pre-dispositions.  We fail, I fail.  Although often able to be successful, and my weight or health isn't awful, still, my besetting sin (among others) is struggling with my appetite, lust toward food.  I desire and often do use it beyond necessity or moderate enjoyment.  I failed last night.  We/I need to keep looking to Him.  God's love sets limits for good reasons, and provides the way of escape. 
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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2012, 12:58:02 AM »
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condoning] is not loving.  It is assisting down the road to destruction.

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(Note that I am not entering into the homosexual debate, I am just agreeing with this statement.  :HeartThrob: There are a few homosexuals in my life that I love dearly. What they do in their personal lives is between them and God. If He were to give me a word for them regarding their homosexual behaviour then by all means I would speak it. Until that happens I will not even broach the subject.)
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« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2012, 01:07:15 AM »
Right Lo.  I have several homosexual acquaintances.  We get along, the topic has never even been mentioned -  just as if 2 unmarried people were living together in a sexual situation I'd figure it wasn't really any of my business unless it specifically came up, I was asked about it, etc.  Then I'd be compelled to gently to the best of my ability share about sin and God's help available for it in our lives.  I'd be obliged to say yes I believe it's sin, I have my own sin, and we're to take it to the Lord for help - not just explain it away or delude ourselves (and others) into thinking it's OK no matter what God says about it.  But just to go out and be screaming at everybody about sin and trying to condemn them...nah, that's not what I'm talking about or how I personally believe it should be handled.  But I do believe we need to seek to understand and believe the things God tells us, then share it when it's the time to do so - not before.   :2c:

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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2012, 01:17:19 AM »
(BTW- I personally make a distinction between someone who has homosexual tendencies ["orientation"] and someone who actively practices the lifestyle.  I believe we all have lumps in our clay, tendencies, predispositions, the works of the flesh.  Many heterosexuals have the drive, the tendency to want to sleep with a different woman every night besides their wife?  Should they?  God calls us to resist temptation, revile the lusts of the flesh, and look to Him for victory and to overcome in our lives, as He leads us into maturity.   :2c:  And having done all to stand, when we do fall, His grace is sufficient.

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2012, 01:17:49 AM »
Right Lo.  I have several homosexual acquaintances.  We get along, the topic has never even been mentioned -  just as if 2 unmarried people were living together in a sexual situation I'd figure it wasn't really any of my business unless it specifically came up, I was asked about it, etc.  Then I'd be compelled to gently to the best of my ability share about sin and God's help available for it in our lives.  I'd be obliged to say yes I believe it's sin, I have my own sin, and we're to take it to the Lord for help - not just explain it away or delude ourselves (and others) into thinking it's OK no matter what God says about it.  But just to go out and be screaming at everybody about sin and trying to condemn them...nah, that's not what I'm talking about or how I personally believe it should be handled.  But I do believe we need to seek to understand and believe the things God tells us, then share it when it's the time to do so - not before.   :2c:



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« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2012, 01:25:13 AM »
I believe it's part of the "take up your cross and follow Me", and if we don't do it willingly (yielding/submitting to him [I'm preaching to me!]/I'm the one that needs it!), then it will have to be exacted from us later as through [spiritual] fire with the destruction of the flesh [our carnal nature].    If we take up the cross and try to do it in our own strength or effort, it's hard and will result in failure and resentment.  Although Paul buffeted [denied] his flesh and was mistreated daily, he had the joy and peace that passed all understanding.  Because if we look to Him and trust HIS strength, then His yoke is easy and His burden is light.
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« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2012, 01:26:26 AM »
 :dsunny:  :iagree:
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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2012, 11:59:56 AM »
Why are you so certain that homosexuality is sin? What principles do you follow when reading scripture and interpreting its messages?

We must be aware of quite a few things there. For example, the distinction between law and gospel, the fact that Jesus brought grace and no new laws, that belief in Jesus is the end of the law, that even in New Testament times themselves the new christians abolished the use of some of the mosaic code, that Paul was not perfect and himself spoke of looking into a glass darkly, that he wanted us to get forward in the faith and that things can change.

Just for example, take slavery. Paul didn't attack slavery and actually told slaves to bear with their lot and to serve their masters willingly. But in our day we decided that slavery is bad, we call it a sin.

In my opinion, we cannot define sin as the transgression of the mosaic law anymore, instead it is the privation of the good. The law was ONCE used as a means to find out sin, but Paul argued it would only produce sin because sin uses god's commandments to kill us. So we really don't have commandments anymore but instead God draws, calls us, tells us things and warns us of spiritual death and the consequences of it that stem from living contrarily to him.

And historically, the church sat down and examined the law and the morality of the time and it picked up what was good and rejected what was not so good. So for example, they abolished stoning because of Christ's example.

And Paul clearly wrote against what happened in Rome. Look at the prophetic books of the Old Testament, it contains no complaint of God about homosexuality. It was a certain purity law given TO THE JEWS, it did not for all time say that homosexuality is truly unwanted by God. Furthermore Paul writes about men and woman EXCHANGING the use of the other sex in sexuality, meaning they speak about people who were embracing heterosexuality but then, on spurious reasons, decided to sleep with people of the same sex. He doesn't write about the ordinary gay person who pretty much never felt any sexual attraction to the opposite sex. Do you see where this is going? It's coming down to adultery again, it's about keeping marriage intact and not spoiling it with the lust for sexual adventures.

And look a bit at the times ... just read up on roman and greek decadence and you will clearly see that Paul speaks about an IMMORAL sexuality, including immoral homosexuality, not about homosexuality at large because that would have been incoherent with our being set free of the law as jews or our not being inducted into the law obedience as Gentiles.

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2012, 03:39:20 PM »
I have read the debates on both sides of this issue, and usually fall on the side of homosexual acts being sin.  I will say though a few things bother me, and maybe it's just my flesh talking...

1) I'm not talking about kink, but someone born gay...and yes I believe some people are born that way.  Are they to live without marriage, sexual intimacy, and deny a significant part of who they are?

2) I can't think of a single sin that is merely sin because its sin.  All sin is sin because it harms ourself and others.  Lying, stealing, coveting, murder, etc all make sense.  Two people of the same sex who love each other, want to be lifetime partners, and that is somehow harmful?  Why?  In a world that is overcrowded, I can't imagine it being a procreation thing.

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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2012, 04:28:32 PM »
My closest friend growing up was homosexual. After 10 years of hanging out together, one day he said to me, "What's the very last thing you would think of me?" I laughingly answered, "Probably that you're gay." He quietly said, Well, I am."
20 years later, he was dead from aids. Yes, he had a partner and they lived together for 18 years before his death but as he told me, "the majority of homosexuals with "life partners" "fool around" with others.

He may have been "born gay" but I think people like him and the rare few that are born with 2 sets of sex organs are what vPaul was talking about when he mentioned that some choose the non-married, Asexual life for the glory of God.
I have also met gays that "accepted Christ" and gave up the homosexual lifestyle and a sex life in general since they didn't feel it right to pursue the opposite sex that they weren't really attracted to.
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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2012, 04:52:50 PM »
Yeah gr  :iagree:, EVERYONE has sin and sin is sin because it hurts us. If we were to shun everyone who lives a life of "sin" who would there be left to love? Again, what people choose to do with their lives is between them and God. What I have learned is that God is not at all as religious as we thought LOL!
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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2012, 05:55:47 PM »
Shawn, I want to agree with you that sin is sin because it harms someone or something. And in SOME cases of homosexuality that's still the fact because you might be damaging your own heterosexuality just because you got thrilled by same sex things because it's easier and more plentiful available (think of parking lot encounters and stuff like that). It's like with transsexuality, if you are well with being a man you shouldn't surgically alter yourself in order to satisfy the trans thrill (and I know what I am speaking about as I have suffered from autogynecophilia for a time in my youth, and it's recurring sometimes now still). But if you have a long story with it and other symptoms of genuine gender dysphoria are present (which never was the case with me), then a person with this should be allowed to go ahead with surgery, hormones or whatever else they need. The bible is not really concerned with our liberties in that regard, instead it brings things into connections with Christ and how He wants to have things done, ie gay marriage instead of going wild. We are clearly supposed to have a love life that would not be arbitrarily made short, in fact normally we should stay with our partners for as long as we live. When gays listen to this simple principle they don't live in sin. Otherwise they couldn't even stay christians, there would be pressure to turn them to atheism. But in the vast majority this isn't happening except when the church pulls out the hammers and nails and decides these poor people to sacrifice their lives for a God that doesn't allow their means of having romantic love relationships.

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #22 on: October 21, 2012, 06:21:02 PM »
He's very practical..actually....homosexuals are no more 'dead' in their sin than anyone else.  He concluded

  all under sin andf condemned sin in the flesh in all in Adam.  When He chose firstfruits from sinful men

  and called them unto grace...He chose men that come from many different 'sin type' backgrounds...

   He says that is what some of you were....murderers,homosexuals,theives,lustful adulterers etc

.  If the firstfruits [of those alive from the dead] are Holy..then so,too, all

    Realizing what sin is..as an active evil spirit that leads into all manner of perverting man that is to be in the image

 of God[as an evil contrast].  will help discern and divide the sinners He calls[I come not to call the righteous,

  but sinners] from the sin that is operative in them.

   what He does with those called in this world...He does with the remainder of their contemporaries at death

     He takes out a remnant now...as a token...and the remainder at the death of their fleshly body.

    Now,we must not condone sin in any form..it is justly condemned by God in all Adam.....normust we

  call evil good.  But we need to acknowledge God's sovereignty in it...of this good/evil exercize...

  His judgement,righteousness and mercy....and His ability to use something meant for evil to man

  unto man's eternal good.

   every wicked,evil unclean impulse in mankind originates with the negative evil contrast spirit...not God

    sin entered through one man.

   If God chooses to call out a man and chooses to work deliverance in this world..He will give  Holy spirit

  as a helper..He may even cast out the spirit responsible for the 'urges' that man was formerly enslaved too.

    But if it is God's will that a man not be called as a firstfruit from the dead ..and serve as an example

  of the deliverance of God in this life...He will not.

    Jesus did just what He beheld His Father doing in heaven...raising the dead[and we have examples of the work of

  God..and power of God in the gospels doing this..but not all dead men were raised at that time..these served

  as 'tokens' and gifts and examples of deliverance by God's power from all effects of sin.  Same,too,for cleansing

from leprosy,various unclean spirits,casting out demons,seizures,deaf,mutes.......He was demonstrating

  on earth what He beheld His Father doing in Heaven.........

   If the firstfruits from the dead are Holy...so too, is all those raised from the dead.  But some of you will say..

  wait...there is to be a resurrection of the righteous and the wicked..........and the reply is...some men will serve

  as examples of the evil contrast spirit that is described in Jude..that are not converted  but return unto

  the mudhole or the vomit.  He is showing you..through examples of men the fate of the wicked contrast

  spirit[those born of God do not  practice sin.

   the good evil contrast and enmity of the seeds is manifested in the flesh of men..to show forth in the material

  seen realm..what is operative in the unseen spiritual realm






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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2012, 06:25:06 PM »
Is the homosexual lifestyle the image and likeness of God? the adulteress lifestyle? the murdering?

  all sin marred examples are not the image and likeness of God.  BUT ALL WILL BE REMADE IN HIS

   LIKENESS..We have that promise...ALL MANKIND DOES

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« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2012, 12:01:04 AM »
Great posts sheila, amen.

My thoughts are, with any sin;  we can debate the fairness of it, whether "if I do it this way is it really wrong, shouldn't it be OK then?", etc.  Attempt to reason through it as to what makes sense to us.  Sometimes I just want to do what I want to do, or what comes natural, etc.    But what do the scriptures say?  With this particular issue, I believe they clearly say it's wrong.  I don't see any "but if I love them", or "if we stay together", etc., qualifying/justifying loopholes.  And then there are the sins I personally struggle with, that the scriptures also say is wrong, even though I sometimes rationalize and try to find a way to see it as "OK".   So if that means denying myself, abstaining, crucifying my flesh, then that seems the narrow path to take. I can't do it if I don't look to Him and turn it over and over and over to Him.  I'm not strong enough. 
I certainly would think for the person born with the tendency toward homosexuality, that would be extremely difficult and they'd HAVE to have God's help, mercy, and grace if they really cared to please Him.  Same for the person born with the genetic predisposition for alcoholism, or a tendency toward food addiction (ouch to me), etc.   Jesus talked about carrying our cross and following Him.  Paul teaches us about denial of the flesh.  He said he would abstain from meat the rest of his life if he needed to. He also refrained from marriage (and sex).   I have my own (albeit nothing compared to the Savior or even Paul) cross to carry.  Many times I fail, and His grace carries me.  :2c:

And amen again sheila, as He will bring us into His likeness...either obeying and looking to Him for our Help and Deliverance (God help me) now, or living with the consequences of pleasing the flesh and only delivered as through fire later.

Blessings.
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