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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #50 on: October 23, 2012, 10:05:55 PM »
I agree Lomarah...there is a difference in head and heart knowledge.  I say certain things but it's hard to truly accept them.  I know the truth but it's hard to believe the truth.

I too have serious abandonment issues...with the apex of that fear being that God will give up on me...and desert me.  I fear that he will leave me like this...like somehow I will finally break the back of grace.  It's why we set up relationships with things we can control....that extra burger wont leave us, ebay is there for us 24/7, that beer always seems to comfort us when ever we need it to.  It works until it doesn't work and we hit a bottom.  These idols we set up will consume us, and drive us to the only solution which is Jesus Christ.

I am convinced that my worst enemy doesn't have horns and a pitch fork.  My worst enemy is within...that battle between the ears.  I do these things to myself.  When I struggle most of the time I caused the drama, chaos and grief.  I did it this weekend when I mistreated my wife...stressed out...overworked and allowed words to come out of my mouth that I deeply regret.  Right now, I'm eat up with guilt.  I wonder...will I ever get this?  Will I ever walk out love consistently?  I have no choice but to lean upon grace and the goodness of God.  I have tried everything else...nothing satisfies but our Savior.

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #51 on: October 23, 2012, 10:56:07 PM »
Thanks, good discussion guys.  :)
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2012, 10:59:01 PM »
Shawn - I feel for you my brother.
 "I did it this weekend when I mistreated my wife...stressed out...overworked and allowed words to come out of my mouth that I deeply regret.  Right now, I'm eat up with guilt.  I wonder...will I ever get this?  Will I ever walk out love consistently?  I have no choice but to lean upon grace and the goodness of God.  I have tried everything else...nothing satisfies but our Savior."
I've done the same thing. This has worked for me and may work for you.
Ask God for forgiveness.
Go to your wife, apologise, tell her you straightened it out with God and want forgivenss from her also.
Take her in your arms, hold her close, whisper in her ear, "I love you, you are a part of me"
Offer a foot or back massage and while doing this listen to her talk. If she is silent, tell her all the things you love about her and how blessed you are to have her for your life partner. Do NOT proceed more physically without encouragement.
Don't let her see this comment. :friendstu:

As to whether your wondering will I ever "get this?"
Unfortunately, not in this lifetime. We can always make steady improvemnet by leaning and trusting on the finished work on the cross and the ongoing work of the spirit in our lives. But, we will not be perfect and will always know that we could have been better. That's why Paul urges us "forgetting that which is past" and urging us to push on toward the goal which is Christ himself.
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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2012, 03:24:39 AM »
Shawn - I feel for you my brother.
 "I did it this weekend when I mistreated my wife...stressed out...overworked and allowed words to come out of my mouth that I deeply regret.  Right now, I'm eat up with guilt.  I wonder...will I ever get this?  Will I ever walk out love consistently?  I have no choice but to lean upon grace and the goodness of God.  I have tried everything else...nothing satisfies but our Savior."
I've done the same thing. This has worked for me and may work for you.
Ask God for forgiveness.
Go to your wife, apologise, tell her you straightened it out with God and want forgivenss from her also.
Take her in your arms, hold her close, whisper in her ear, "I love you, you are a part of me"
Offer a foot or back massage and while doing this listen to her talk. If she is silent, tell her all the things you love about her and how blessed you are to have her for your life partner. Do NOT proceed more physically without encouragement.
Don't let her see this comment. :friendstu:



Shawn: definitely take this advice. And as you are hiding the comment from your wife I will be emailing it in bold to my husband.  :gimmefive:

In all seriousness, if that were to be done in sincerity that would be amazing. You actually brought me to tears ded. :)
From Him and through Him and to Him are all things.

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2012, 08:02:52 AM »
My wife and I have much history.  She is not an easy one to make up with.  Before I wrote this post, I apologized in word and deed...spending a couple hours cleaning the kitchen she was dreading to clean...then verbally apologized.  Once our fights get to a certain point nothing but her letting me have it for hours will suffice.  It's that baggage we all carry into a marriage.  We made up after several hours of discussion.  I just keep wondering how I get myself into these messes.  Why I allow myself to lose my temper...I wonder why the flesh takes over.  Nature of the flesh I guess...just wish I didn't have to continue saying things I regret.

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #55 on: October 24, 2012, 08:07:07 AM »
I wonder why the flesh takes over.
Maybe because you focus to much on it?

"Watched pot never boils."
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #56 on: October 24, 2012, 03:40:59 PM »
WW...that might be the case but I don't believe it to be the case.  I grow aware of it after I receive consequences for fleshly acts. 

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #57 on: October 24, 2012, 03:56:47 PM »
Be encouraged brother that you are at least aware of the problem. Christ IS working to show you what you need to improve, but He has paid for your mistaskes IN FULL.
The flesh struggles aginst the Spirit.
Fortuantely this life is temporary, and the coming one overcomes all the previous problems.
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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #58 on: October 24, 2012, 04:14:16 PM »
Shawn, The reason I told you what I did, is partly because your wife will feel different toward you but mostly because you will feel differently toward her. Whenever we feel angry or upset with a person (and do not let the sun go down on your anger) first thing to do is apologize and then do a (or more than one) loving act. I've noticed that when I'm angry with my wife, we are both changed by the foot rub. (She's on her feet all day) When the anger is welling up, switch to thoughts of what is good and true and pure and lovely and try to think of acts of love toward her. She is yelling at you? Don't yell back. Kiss her. She's throwing things at you? Put your arms around her in embrace. Let only kind and gentle words come out of your mouth if you say anything at all. "a soft answer turns away wrath" The natural man in us is to retaliate, seek revenge and hurt those we perceive as hurting us. Things escalate when our natural man acts. Loving acts changes everything.
My marriage was shaky until I started doing and acting as I am suggesting. True, it may not "feel" right or sincere the first few times but when I saw the miracle change in us and our relationship I do it totally in love now.

Maybe the first churches had something with the "footwashing" I bet it would be hard to stay mad at someone that washed your feet or to be mad at someone that you were washing their feet.
Lomarrah, thank you for your kind words -  :friendstu:
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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #59 on: October 24, 2012, 04:38:30 PM »
That all depends.  :eeew: :gfish:  :laugh:

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #60 on: October 24, 2012, 09:16:38 PM »
Shawn, The reason I told you what I did, is partly because your wife will feel different toward you but mostly because you will feel differently toward her. Whenever we feel angry or upset with a person (and do not let the sun go down on your anger) first thing to do is apologize and then do a (or more than one) loving act. I've noticed that when I'm angry with my wife, we are both changed by the foot rub. (She's on her feet all day) When the anger is welling up, switch to thoughts of what is good and true and pure and lovely and try to think of acts of love toward her. She is yelling at you? Don't yell back. Kiss her. She's throwing things at you? Put your arms around her in embrace. Let only kind and gentle words come out of your mouth if you say anything at all. "a soft answer turns away wrath" The natural man in us is to retaliate, seek revenge and hurt those we perceive as hurting us. Things escalate when our natural man acts. Loving acts changes everything.
My marriage was shaky until I started doing and acting as I am suggesting. True, it may not "feel" right or sincere the first few times but when I saw the miracle change in us and our relationship I do it totally in love now.

Maybe the first churches had something with the "footwashing" I bet it would be hard to stay mad at someone that washed your feet or to be mad at someone that you were washing their feet.
Lomarrah, thank you for your kind words -  :friendstu:

I think all of that is terrific advice.  And I agree about the foot washing.  I have no idea why but everytime I think about a person doing that for another it brings a tear to my eye.  Its a superb form of humility manifesting itself in service.  It's a beautiful act.

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #61 on: October 26, 2012, 06:14:15 PM »
20 years later, he was dead from aids. Yes, he had a partner and they lived together for 18 years before his death but as he told me, "the majority of homosexuals with "life partners" "fool around" with others

This seems to be making the case that it is the adultery.
Not the homosexuality that is being corrected.

Amram married his father's sister Jochebed, and she bore him Aaron and Moses.

If I married my Aunt ( my fathers sister) It would be illegal.

This would make my two children Aaron and Moses either bastards
or legal nonconforming.

Moses gave this law to the nation of Israel.

 A man is not to marry his father's wife;
 he must not violate his father's marriage bed.


Your fathers wife is a no go.Your fathers sister still a go.

But if you can become free, by all means take the opportunity  For he who is called by the Lord as a slave is the Lord's freedman Likewise he who is called as a free man] is Christ's slave. You were bought at a price; do not become slaves of men.

 Brothers, each person should remain with God in whatever situation he was called.



If I am a person Married in a same sex relationship.
Then suddenly the Spirit of God convinces me that Jesus loves me.

I have now in my heart a Love
I have never had before for my partner
my family and Gods children in general .

Should I tell my partner God wants us to get a Divorce.
 


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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2012, 06:42:48 PM »
So if I'm a professional hit man and get saved, I should stay in that same situation?
Adam had all the genes for the entire race of man. At first, because of this diversity it was OK for brothers and sisters to marry. "Adam and Eve had many sons and daughters." Obviously Adam and Eve's children intermarried and as time went by the gene pool narrowed until the prohibition was given against marrying close family relations. It's like purebred dogs. They keep inbreeding to maintain a "look" but these purebred dogs are prone to all sorts of problems like hip dysplasia, glaucoma, brittle bones... stuff you just don't find in"mongrel" dogs. Mongrel dogs are always healthier, coming from a larger gene pool. The "not marrying your Fathers wife" was more a respect thing since it was ok and expected early on to marry your sister-in-law if your brother should die.

The case against homosexuality is, 2 reasons (besides the bible warnings) 1.) is the adultery (which is rampant in the homosexual community) which is also wrong between heterosexuals. 2.) is the anal intercourse which (according to health researchers) causes a myriad of problems to the receiver (male or female) and some to the "giver". The average homosexual male lives alomost 20 years less than the average heterosexual male and lesbians average 2-4 years less. I won't go into all the stuff since re-readfing, I see some potentially offensive remarks and I don't want to offend anyone.
And... I have no need to try to convince anyone since Everyone makes their own interpretation of scripture and justifies their every behaviour. :friendstu: 
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« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2012, 06:57:32 PM »
I would hope and only ask that you would believe that I believe this.

I had what the world would call a fracturing of my psyche.
I am aware of three distinctions of myself.
The flesh, the soul , and the Spirit.

As the flesh and the soul for years have conspired
to keep me from seeing the spirit as one of us.

The Spirit and the soul have conspired and
 kept me from seeing the flesh as one of us .

The soul asked the Spirit how come I don't see the flesh
hanging around with me anymore?
The Spirit told me it was because the flesh had Died.

I was so fond of the flesh that even though it was dead.
I still wanted it to be around I felt naked without it.

When I see my brothers and sisters I have mixed feelings
On one hand if I look upon their flesh,
 I have to use the dead eyes of my flesh.

When I look with the Spirit I see their nakedness.

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« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2012, 07:16:28 PM »
Daj,
I DO believe you believe that. If anything I said was offensive, I do apologise for that. I will not and cannot back down on what I see as the plain truth of the word of God. In the past 43 years of being a Christiian, I would think that well, "that was then, this is now" and I would do just what I said others do... Justify my slant if it varied from scripture. I found out it has always been me that has been wrong and never scripture. Hey, we all had to "justify" God's torturing when we believed ET was a possibility. What a relief to find all the scriptures that show God is love and not a sadistic torturer.
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« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2012, 07:47:42 PM »
I took a buddy of mine to church.

It was a Pentecostal church.
The sermon was on demons and how to cast them out.

My buddy was very big and in good shape.
He was dressed as usual for riding his Harley.
The pastor came over to us after.
I introduced Mike to the pastor.
The pastor with-out saying hello or any sort of cordiality.
Sees a pack of cigarettes in the top pocket of Mikes
leather vest.
He flicked the pack with his finger and said to Mike.
I see you have a demon would you like me to cast it out of you.
Mike looked at the over weight pastor.
Mike responded "Sure but first we have to have a race around
the out side of the Church.
I burst out laughing the more I tried to suppress it the worst
it was. I tried to stop laughing but at his point I was to far gone.

 We had started to attract the attention of many milling
 around in the church.
The pastor was turning red and was trying to yell at us but couldn't.

With out even asking what was going on we were escorted out of the Church.
The group of men telling us to get out, they started yelling in tongues at us
and binding us in the name of Jesus.

In retrospect I should not have laughed when Mike,
showed the pastor that the pastor was naked. 
 
     


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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2012, 08:18:11 PM »
Do not be naked.


Instead, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus, the Messiah, and do not obey your flesh and its desires. Rom 13:14

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« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2012, 08:19:27 PM »
Daj,
Reminded me of two things. One was the question of why didn't God heal amputees. The second was a cartoon joke that shows a real fat guy and a regular sized pastor. The pastor has his head on the fat guy and shouts out, "Be Healed of Obesity" The next panel showed a trim guy but because of his weight loss his pants were down around his ankles in front of the whole church. :LH:
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« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2012, 08:29:25 PM »
I Love to laugh at my frailties and vulnerabilities  :pointlaugh:

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« Reply #69 on: October 26, 2012, 09:05:33 PM »
Me too - keeps me from crying
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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #70 on: October 26, 2012, 09:34:47 PM »
So if I'm a professional hit man and get saved, I should stay in that same situation?

The case against homosexuality is...... the bible warnings...

And... I have no need to try to convince anyone since Everyone makes their own interpretation of scripture and justifies their every behaviour. :friendstu:

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Re: wow wow I got a message from God about UR
« Reply #71 on: October 26, 2012, 09:56:52 PM »
So if I'm a professional hit man and get saved, I should stay in that same situation?

If I was a professional hit man and work for the worlds most accurate and deadly
sniper unit in the C.Int.C.

If I get saved should I stay, should I resign.?
What if I want to resign and the chaplain convinces me it is my
patriotic duty to Canada to stay.

Should I rather just stay were I found Christ and hope that he will lead
and I would follow.   

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« Reply #72 on: October 26, 2012, 10:29:17 PM »
Don't forget Paul that told others to stay in the situation Christ found them, it did not include bondage/slavery. He recommended that if a slave COULD get free legally, then it was allright and recommended to do so - and - if he preferred to stay in bondage to an earthly master he sdhould do that too.

Canada has an Central intelligence unit like our CIA? We have enemies and kill people all over the world with ours, I had no idea Canada even had any enemies or spies.
If you want to resign, it's between you and God and NOBODY else-chaplain or not. -and your wife if married.
Don't forget, we are foreigners in a foreign land and Jesus has made us "citizens of heaven." Why would you let anyone anywhere talk you out of a God decision?
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« Reply #73 on: October 27, 2012, 12:12:09 AM »
I had no idea Canada even had any enemies or spies.

We don't but when our big brother doesn't want to get
his hands dirty .
That's when sneaky little bro steps in.

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« Reply #74 on: October 27, 2012, 12:53:18 AM »
Can't get away from politics till God is not only our Lord but King.
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