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Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

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Kept:
Craig

I loved some of your answers especially the one on eating his body and drinking his blood and the statistics

oh came back to say to seeker, the food thing, yep I totally agree, Craig did too lol

where is that cheerleader

 :cheerleader:

kept

fire walker:

--- Quote from: Kept on October 31, 2007, 03:24:58 AM ---where is that cheerleader

 :cheerleader:

kept

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Just spoted the cheerleader down at the grocery market buying the fixings for a good meal for hungry company coming, many don't believe the truth that here in supposedly the wealthist Nation in the world there are many dealing with homelessnes and hunger, if a man so much as feeds and shows compassion for one hungry and thirsting soul he has done it for me said our Lord Jesus Christ, compassion may come by the spirit but the joy is in comforting those in literal needs as well as spiritual, no matter what Nation they are from.

As for amputees, our flesh and blood bodies do not naturaly grow new limbs once they are gone, no more than we can replace our teeth with a 3rd or 4th set of natural teeth.
At least today they have artificial limbs that are far better than wooden legs or being confined to a wheelchair for the remaining duration of life. Some folks are born with worse deformities from birth than amputees experience, however most of these have time to adapt during their childhood that amputees don't have, many amputees overcome their loss and many do not. It appears that the ones who overcome the loss have been healed in the context of healing as we are speaking about in this
thread.

Peace,
Fire Walker 

reFORMer:
Q1 Why won't God heal amputees?

Answer:

Matthew 15: 29-31
29 And Jesus departed from thence [the coasts of Tyre and Sidon], and came nigh unto the sea of Galilee; and went up into a mountain, and sat down there.
30 And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and he healed them:
31 Insomuch that the multitude wondered, when they saw the dumb to speak, the maimed to be whole, the lame to walk, and the blind to see: and they glorified the God of Israel.

While the reports of restorations of lost limbs and the like among Christians seem to be more common from outside the United States, certainly among those With Heidi Baker in Africa for one source, it happens here too.

A Pastor Reesie (sp?) at Grace Church in Ft Lauderdale, FL was witnessing to a young man a few years ago.  The fellow said that if what he was saying about God being good, all powerful and present was true, then He should be able to heal his hand with all the fingers cut off.  Brother Reesie agreed.  He says God told him to shout at the fingers.  So he did; for something like over 5 hours til he was completely hoarse.  The fingers all grew back!  The fellowship I was with for a few years met in the Grace Church building for around a year because the people had outgrown it and were meeting elsewhere.  I got to meet both the pastor and the guy that had been healed.  I think he drove a Firebird.  They had medical papers concerning the matter.

---James

Reverend G:
Good answers to the questions, most of the questions really didn't merit answering.  I see nobody said anything about "man wasn't created from the dust of the earth".  Factually speaking, about 10 years back, it was reported that the human body, if assayed chemically, was composed of common elements that were worth about 98 cents.  Basically, dust of the earth.  I can't remember the name of the author, but a book, The Science of God, addresses the 7 day thing and a number of other "scientific" problems.  I enjoyed it because I really enjoyed physics, and wondered if the laws of relativity could be applied and what do ya know, he did just that.  7 days it could have been.   

AbbasChild:

--- Quote from: Craig on October 30, 2007, 10:56:29 PM ---Each of these questions use an internal informal fallacy in order for the reader to react in accordance to the questioner instead of reflecting on the reality.

Q1
"Why won't God heal amputees?

Who says He doesn't? I do not know any amputees, and there are many miracles that do not recieve attention. 

Such question already pre-supposes that God won't. It is a fallacy of presupposition. Why won't you stop beating your wife? It presupposes you beat your wife.

Conclusion: Not worth answering.

Q2
Why are there so many starving people in this world?

Despite being omnipotent, God has given authority of earth to mankind to take care of it. He has allowed free-will within the habitation and boundary He has set up for us.

In fact, there is enough food in the US alone, that would feed the entire world, 3 square meals a day without waste. The wickedness and godlessness of mankind, is why there are many starving people in this world. Food is not the problem, and those who are starving are starving because the selfishness of their neighbors.

Q3
Why does God demand the deaths of so many innocent people in the Bible?

This presupposes that there is innocent deaths commanded by God in the Bible. I have studied Scripture and have seen the 'proof' texts of athiests and agnostics who point out God kills children, and women, and so forth. This is a debate within itself. Any rational and intelligent person will understand even 100 years ago, the culture of society was far different than it is today. Even 50 years ago, a fist to fist fight would not get a man jail time for abuse, but today you slap a person across the face you can be in jail for 3 years!

Q4
Why does the bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense?

Physcology also contains so anti-scientific nonsense, yet it is recognized field of science. Does Scripture say God made the world in seven days? Or does it say it took Seven Olams? An Olam representing a age or period of time with a distinct beginning and end. Science cannot even prove how earth was made, because science needs to be observable, therefore everything concerning creation whether scientific or theological, is theory.

Q5
Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery in the bible?

This question again presupposes God is in favor of slavery. Culture was different. Even today, a man who makes $4 an hour, even though he is being paid for his work, is literally a slave to it. Slavery is perception, not reality. There is good and bad examples in history, the anti-slavery view is in view of the unethical European slave trade.

Q6
Why do bad things happen to good people?

Ecclesiastes says it does. King Solomon wrote this far before this man came to this question. The rain falls on the good and evil a like, there is nothing new unders the sun. The circumstances of life may seem evil, but the good man is at peace in his heart.

Q7
Why didn't any of Jesus' miracles in the bible leave behind any evidence?

Irrelevant. There are many things that don't have physical evidence that happened in the past, which even scientists and historians know happened. The reports of events are considered evidence of the events. So guess what, the gospels are sufficient evidence that Jesus performed miracles.

Q8
How do you explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you?

He is making an emotional appeal, another fallacy. He is telling us to be rational and intelligent people, but now he is working on your fear of abandonment. How do I explain the fact Jesus never appeared to me? I can't, because He came to me when I was 4 years old, in physical form. I touched His hands and He touched my face and saved me from sexual abuse. At age 18, He physically sat next to my bed talking to me about the cult which brought a crisis of faith, only to show comfort me that He is the Truth, and that He would never leave me nor forsake me for anything. Etc.

Q9
Why would Jesus want you to eat His body and drink His blood?

He is again appealing to emotion. How disgusting does it sound to eat His body and drink His blood. Of course, he is specifically addressing a tradition which is not actually in Scripture which says the crackers and wine actually become His body and His blood. The reality is that it is a metaphor, a symbolic gesture of something deeper on an emotional, intellectual, spiritual, philosophical side. It was never a literal interpretation. (This guy says he is rational).

Q10
Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians.

Presupposing that all who claim to be Christian, are in fact Christ followers, then we must accept the reason they get divorced at the same rate is because we all make mistakes.

The author actually brought this question up in relation to 'let no man put assunder', and yet they are. He forgets God allowed divorce in Scripture, He just detestes it.

This comes back to our freedom of will, to make the right and good choices and many do not and suffer the consequences of their actions.

However, this presupposes that all who claim to be Christian ,are in fact Christ followers. How many true Christians get divorced? I don't know, can't measure the heart to know.

This man put together a series of arguements which were meant to lead to one conclusion. The way he phrases the questions and the order they appear are meant to create a sense of distrust in God and a sense of faithlessness. He is preparing for this conclusion that all men who believe in God, are delusional. He suggests only abnormal people believe in a God. A recent survey done records that as much as 86% of the world believes in a 'greater power' or 'Spirit' or 'God' or 'gods'. Of the 14% half are not sure, that leaves 7% of the world which absolutely believes in no god, force or spirit. This man believes that 93% of the mankind is delusional! Has anyone done a study on the word, "Normal".

Normal :

1. conforming to the standard or the common type; usual; not abnormal; regular; natural. 
2. serving to establish a standard. 
3.
a. approximately average in any psychological trait, as intelligence, personality, or emotional adjustment. 
b. free from any mental disorder; sane. 
 
By the definition of Normal, that 7% are actually the delusional ones, and that means they are the ones insane. ;)

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Great Stuff!  :thumbsup:

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