Sparrow and all other Spiriteers,
I agree with your last post. But how can anyone ever know the had contact with the HS and not a decieving spirit?
Perhaps it's a bit like NDEs then people advise to check it against scripture. Fine but with so many denominations it looks like everyone read the scripture differently. Satan is a very smart spirit. He doesn't wear a "I'm a liar" badge but a "I'm the HS badge"
Plus the way I see it those viosion also have info that's not in the Bible. So it can't be checked against the Bible.
Great question, WW.
Just to warn you, I'm kind of thinking out loud here, so if my thoughts seem a bit unorganized please forgive me, bro.
I think about that verse Matthew 24:24
For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
I think that there will be those who are decieved and those who are not. But I think it's all in God's plan. I see the elect as NOT being decieved. Who are the elect? The people who ended up not being decieved for whatever reason. Whoever this "elect" are, God has made them the elect for a reason. Some claim to be the "elect". But how can they know for sure? I believe only God knows the answer.
Perhaps someone can give proof that folks can know. I haven't researched it all the way. I just see this verse of the elect being decieved "IF it were possible" and think that the elect don't know who they are. Because if they knew who they were, then that verse wouldn't have the same effect. Push on and run this race.... but I tend to believe only God knows who His various groups of people are. God has his reasons for selecting certain people. Afterall, look at his disciples. It's all happening to teach us ALL. All will benefit from God's master plan.
The UR view perfectly puts this into the right perspective, while the ET view makes God look totally evil, choosing certain people to show truth to, and some to remain in darknesss and end up some of His children being annihilated or tortured for all eternity! Sheesh what a sicko God! The UR view makes all of that make perfect sense! We are all His children. We don't all have the same role. That's ok. If I end up being one of the decieved**
... y'know what? THAT IS OK! because I know God used me for a specific reason. Every life lived will serve a purpose. Every life lived is a thread in His tapestry that He is weaving. This tapestry will be for OUR benefit. All of us. We are learning while we are here on earth, and when we see the BIG PICTURE, we will REALLY learn. But... still... push on, finish the race! Do the best that you can do to find truth and align with God's spirit. Some might say "well if I don't know if I'm being decieved or not, what is the point!!! What's the point in trying to learn??!" No! Don't think that way! PUSH ON! FINISH THE RACE! Seek! A lot of people are decieved because they allow themselves to be decieved. They aren't leaning into Him, they are leaning into theirself! Push on! Finish the race. Perhaps you may be surprised in the end, over just how much truth He ended up giving you in your life. Push on.
I believe that God is love. He tells us that He is love. The fruits of the spirit:
Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
I think taking things and measuring them against the yardstick of love is key.
(1 corinthians 13 is helpful.) I also think that getting down to the foundation of a set of beliefs and tearing it apart and examining it, where did it come from, what is it's purpose? And taking it all and measuring that against love, measuring against who God says He is (love) are things we should all be doing. Measuring things in this way may not seem so involved, until you really start to break it down and look at it. What is the core?
Take for instance, prosperity preachers. What are they promoting?? Materialism and GREED. Break down their beliefs to the foundation, and what do you have? A bunch of godly sounding
words, theatrics, and cheerleading pumping up carnal man's lust for wealth. Forsaking the spiritual needs of their flock for earthly riches. Pushing aside the real message of Christ for a few gold coins. Look at how many followers they have. So many. Sowing the seeds of greed instead of sowing the seeds of love. And funny how so many of them have these fantastic tales, visions, supernatural experiences that somehow "prove" that God is more worried about their bank accounts than He is the state of their hearts. Sure there's some other nice sounding stuff thrown in, but then it's right back to "give and you will get!". You gotta have discernment. Listen to the voice within... who are these people talking to? Your carnal man or your spiritual man??
Going to God and praying for guidance. Listening for His voice, and pushing away your own voice. Listening to your gut. There are things that tickle the ears of your carnal man, and there are things that align with your spirit. Learning to discern is a process. Perhaps it's not the same for everyone. The more you lean into love and lean away from non-love, the more you develop discernment, in my opinion.
Some teachings are very easy to discern, some things you know right away, this is NOT RIGHT!
Other things are a little more convoluted and it takes awhile to get to the foundation of what the belief is. Then there are still OTHER things that are just... who the heck KNOWS what folks are talking about? Sometimes, you just have to let it go. Walk away.
In my own personal experience, God leaves breadcrumbs here and there. When the breadcrumbs are seemingly all over the place about something, and
my heart and spirit feel totally alive and full of love and just all worries and fears completely dissapear and the love in my heart for Him, for my neighbor and for ALL creation just totally explodes...and I fade more into the background and the concern over others comes to the forefront then I feel that I am being led by HIM. and NOT by my own carnal self. If all these things are happening, THEN I feel I am being led by HIM.
Well, I don't feel I worded that all very well. But hopefully it made sense.
I don't like to be confusing.
These are my thoughts right now. Perhaps they will change later on down the line.
But this is where I am now.**
- disclaimer... I'm not talking about MAIN issues such as UR! I'm talking about being decieved about the lesser things. Just want to make that clear. I would absolutely gladly give up my life over the view that Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL mankind and that not even one will be lost.