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Offline jabcat

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Re: What's Missing?
« Reply #25 on: February 12, 2011, 01:02:28 AM »
I agree.  Any faith we have to believe is given to us.

"For by grace are you saved through faith, and THAT not of yourselves..it is the GIFT of God.."   :thumbsup:

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Re: What's Missing?
« Reply #26 on: February 12, 2011, 01:35:58 AM »
But then, jabcat, aren't you reading an awful lot into what is not written or given to us to know in this lifetime?

I accept the conjecture that maybe in the next life there is another chance; certainly there is much more to come that we simply aren't told about. But to teach that certain things will happen/are true that simply are not explicity stated ... that bothers me.

I just think we have to be so, so careful and on guard that our beliefs come from what scripture says; we should never work it backward, starting with "our" beliefs and then interpreting scripture from there   :mblush:

I don't think this is judgmental in the least.  We should be cautious about what we teach.  We should know, and be able to support what we teach.  With that said,I believe Jab has done his homework.  I believe he has come to accept in his spirit something that can't be worked out 100% through scriptures.  We can say that for every view of judgment.  I also see things a bit differently than your last sentence.  I used to see it that way.  But, I am one of my Saviors sheep and I can hear his voice.  Today there are things that I accept in my spirit as truth, yet I can't completely work it out from a scriptural standpoint.  My relationship isn't limited to the scriptures but includes and encompasses Holy Spirit revelation.  With that said, I don't believe everything revealed to me is meant for everyone, nor do I believe everything revealed to you is for everyone.

Today, I am very careful about what I do teach.  It's why I take an agnostic stance on the judgment of mankind.  With that said, I have a great hope in my spirit in UR (or as you like to say US) :)

 :bigGrin:  Well, I do believe it can be "worked out" in the scriptures, and I believe it's often shown.  I believe the issue is, we're all veiled to varying extents, until it's our time to see more clearly.  So often when the clear scriptures are presented, we can only see them through our own veil, unless and until the Holy Spirit illuminates them within us.  Until that time, we can read right over and not be affected by the things that are hidden in plain sight.  Done it, do it.   :2c:

I can't completely agree.  I don't believe any stance from ET to UR can be so sound from a scriptural standpoint that it's undeniable.  I do believe there are some serious linguistical acrobatics that are played with aionion and kolasis.  I'm not saying they are false, just not without question.  I do believe there has been something birthed in your spirit and you accept it as fact.  That is a good thing.  But, I think sometimes our own revelation fails to acknowledge the diveristy of scripture on a subject and why others can believe the way they do.  I understand why LS was a bit taken aback by your first post.  If we are not careful, we start sounding like we are people who love doctrine more than we love others.  So, when we are cautioned on how we teach...I believe that caution is to avoid hurting others in the process of our teaching.  What we believe shouldn't divide us...it shouldn't be an us vs them mentality.  I think this was something you were posting about just the other day.   :2c:

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Re: What's Missing?
« Reply #27 on: February 12, 2011, 07:31:39 AM »
Most believe Jesus draws everyone to him but most turn away, or reject him. I see the verse as saying, I Jesus, if I am resurrected, I will drag or make sure everyone accepts me.

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C, you're the closest to the main point of what I was seeing.  I actually do disagree that all men are drawn in this lifetime, which is what I believe is so noticeable in the OP.  Vessels the Potter has fit for dishonor in this life, to serve God's over-all purpose, I would contend have not been drawn to the cross, and won't be until the next age - once the purpose is served. 

I disagree that having some sense of being aware of God and having that affect works/character, as still being very different from salvation.  Salvation is coming face to face with the Savior and being given the faith to believe on and trust in Him as our Savior.   Millions have never heard the name of Jesus, have no idea he's the Savior/Messiah - it's not their time in this age.   And yes, brother Shawn, I agree, Jesus does the works through us, not our own effort.   We are given faith to believe, not exercise our own manufactured faith to be saved.

So again, my main point of the OP is that I personally think it's obvious that not all men are drawn to the cross in this lifetime.  Which means, when it comes to either ED, ET, or God's ultimate reconciliation of His creation ....

Hi Jabcat,

I agree with everything you say here.

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Re: What's Missing?
« Reply #28 on: February 12, 2011, 08:19:03 AM »
Blessings C.   :HeartThrob:.