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Offline thinktank

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Was the serpent race the dinosaurs?
« on: February 09, 2011, 12:19:31 AM »
It occured to me after seing a picture of supernatural apparitions on a shirt, 1 picture included of a giant foot on top of a snake, on another angle it looked like a giant foot on top of a dinosaur.

So it got me thinking and it occured to me in Genesis.

"Cursed art thou above all cattle, and on thy belly thou shall go"

Often in scripture there is a natural truth and spiritual truth. Ok most Christians agree that the serpent = the devil.
But what if the scripture also refers to natural means, a hidden truth, that Christendom might have missed?

Ok, so here we have God comparing this serpent to cattle and beasts right,

Now what do cattle and beasts have in common?

They walk on all fours?

So if God says right from now on you are now going to slide on your belly, that means that before this transition or curse, the serpent did not slide on its belly. So if God compares the serpent to cattle and says cursed art thou above all cattle?
Don't dinosaur resemble beasts and cattle? Big, walk on 4 legs?

So here we can see that what if the reason dinosaur no longer exist is because they were cursed and transformed into snakes, that they have not really been extinct, but have been supernaturally transformed or cursed, mutated into snakes. Since in bibllical language a serpent could mean, either dinosaurs and/or reptiles, so the dinosaurs or reptile species are cursed to become snakes and perhaps even crocs, for they crawl on their belly and lick the dust, just as much as snakes and even more striking is that unlike snakes, crocs will gladly eat humans for lunch, so scripturally they fit in a spiritual sense that they eat man who is dust, and also they eat dust, because their mouths drag along the sand and extremely likely to lick dust. Another thing about crocs is that their heads resemble t rex type dinosaurs, so another possibility = Trex dino types mutated into crocs, and brontosaurus types mutated into snakes. Since that God says you are cursed to go on thy belly, I conclude that serpents  might refer to dinosaurs and not reptiles, since there are reptiles which go on all fours, but then again crocs do go on all fours, but they do drag themselves on the ground have very short legs like most reptilians. If there are no long legged reptilians originally,(e,g perhaps the frog, somehow mutated and growed their legs back) then, it is possible that serpents in biblical language did refer to reptilian species.

Another possibility, what if say a t rex which, started to appear later on in the dino timetable is begining to mutate from the giant brontosaurus type which look like cattle, with a snake head, and then mutates into Trex types, that loses its front legs and is beggining to lose all it legs so it transforms into a snake over time, maybe a small snake seems impossible, but what about giant anocandas?

Now also I do not neccessarily means that a bront dino becomes a t rex, in fact, a bronotosarus could be mutating into a snake also, because of the curse, hence its snake like head.

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Re: Was the serpent race the dinosaurs?
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2011, 05:24:14 AM »
Gen 3:14  Then said Yahweh God unto the serpent—Because thou hast done this, Accursed, art thou above every tame-beast, and above every wild-beast of the field,—on thy belly, shall thou go, and dust, shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.
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Gen 3:14 And saying is Yahweh Elohim to the serpent, "As you do this, most cursed are you of every beast, and of all field life. On your torso shall you go, and soil shall you eat all the days of your lives. (CLV)

It does not in the sense you say the the serpent at one time was on all fours. He curses the serpent "above or of" every beast, or cattle. In other words He uses the serpent as an example, that the serpent would go(as it had) on its belly.


Gen 1:24  And God saith, `Let the earth bring forth the living creature after its kind, cattle and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after its kind:' and it is so.
Gen 1:25  And God maketh the beast of the earth after its kind, and the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing of the ground after its kind, and God seeth that it is good.

So my answer is no.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Was the serpent race the dinosaurs?
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2011, 08:04:18 PM »
Gen 3:14  Then said Yahweh God unto the serpent—Because thou hast done this, Accursed, art thou above every tame-beast, and above every wild-beast of the field,—on thy belly, shall thou go, and dust, shalt thou eat all the days of thy life.


But doesnt this verse indicate that the punishment is to go on its belly and eat dust?

If it already did this, then what is the serpents curse?

What has changed for the serpent?

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Re: Was the serpent race the dinosaurs?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2011, 09:28:20 PM »
Dinosaur isn't really just one animal. There were many different ones. Some as small as a dog. Others were really huge.
So it would be just like God cursing a cow and everything between a dog and an elephant turns into a snake.

"Cursed art thou above all cattle, and on thy belly thou shall go"

It seems not only the snake is cursed. It's cursed even more than the other animals.
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Re: Was the serpent race the dinosaurs?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2011, 09:45:39 PM »
If it already did this, then what is the serpents curse?

What has changed for the serpent?
It could fly before... :winkgrin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiery_flying_serpent
YLTIsa 30
6 The burden of the beasts of the south. Into a land of adversity and distress, Of young lion and of old lion, Whence are viper and flying saraph, They carry on the shoulder of asses their wealth, And on the hump of camels their treasures, Unto a people not profitable.

I'm not so sure it was a real snake. Jesus also called certain people vipers.
There is a long thread on this subject but I can't find the thread right now.

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Re: Was the serpent race the dinosaurs?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2011, 10:32:24 PM »
Dinosaur isn't really just one animal. There were many different ones. Some as big as dog. Others were really use.
So it would be just like God cursing a cow and everything between a dog and an elephant turns into a snake.

"Cursed art thou above all cattle, and on thy belly thou shall go"

It seems not only the snake is cursed. It's cursed even more than the other animals.
 :dontknow:

The verse does seem to indicate that cattle are already cursed, as if to say "Hey serpent you are so cursed that your even more cursed than those beasts and cattle I cursed".

Otherwise why compare to beasts and cattle? Why not say "Cursed art thou serpent". Since its the first animal to be cursed why compare it to cattle?

(on a spiritual level I do have an answer to this, but on a natural level I may have, I will show you next)

Ok perhaps the beasts and cattle are considered cursed because, God has cursed the earth and naturally beasts and cattle will have to fight and suffer hardship to eat from fresh green grass, that the earth would no longer have her increase and be AS fruitfull. Also the beasts would become carnivores, and that cattle especially would become prey for many of the wild beasts, e.g lion.

Now if one looks at the serpent or snake, they are one of the toughest animals on the planet, even the mighty lion fears snakes. Especially the king cobra, is a huge venemous snake, that is feared by man and beast. So the question still remains as to what is the serpents curse if it did indeed, slide or crawl on it's belly before God cursed it?





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Re: Was the serpent race the dinosaurs?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2011, 10:46:49 PM »
Dinosaur isn't really just one animal. There were many different ones. Some as big as dog. Others were really use.
So it would be just like God cursing a cow and everything between a dog and an elephant turns into a snake.

"Cursed art thou above all cattle, and on thy belly thou shall go"

It seems not only the snake is cursed. It's cursed even more than the other animals.
 :dontknow:

The verse does seem to indicate that cattle are already cursed, as if to say "Hey serpent you are so cursed that your even more cursed than those beasts and cattle I cursed".

Otherwise why compare to beasts and cattle? Why not say "Cursed art thou serpent". Since its the first animal to be cursed why compare it to cattle?
Whole earth is cursed.
"It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field."

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(on a spiritual level I do have an answer to this,
We are dust. Snake feeds on dust. Dust is carnal. Carnal is sin. Snake feeds on sin.
Something like that :winkgrin:


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Now if one looks at the serpent or snake, they are one of the toughest animals on the planet, even the mighty lion fears snakes.
But a woman crushes him under her heel.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...