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Offline Universalist Catholic

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What does Lukewarm mean
« on: January 23, 2011, 05:37:57 AM »
In revelation, one church is spoken of being Lukewarm.  Many have attributed Lukewarm to mean something that goes against the unpopular turn or burn churches.  Others say its anyone who goes into "Cafeteria Christianity", which is anything that does not conform to the Dogmas of the right church.   

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Re: What does Lukewarm mean
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2011, 05:45:04 AM »
I think it may have to do with just not caring much, not spending the time walking with God, i.e., "seek first the kingdom and all these things will be added unto you"... 

It seems the primary audiance was that church, but I'd think also with a meaning for each of us to "watch and pray", seek first the kingdom, etc.?
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Re: What does Lukewarm mean
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2011, 08:53:39 AM »
Lukewarm

χλιαρός
chliaros
Thayer Definition:
1) tepid, lukewarm
2) metaphorically of the condition of the soul wretchedly fluctuating between a torpor and a fervour of love
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: from chlio (to warm)
Citing in TDNT: 2:876, 296
Cold
ψυχρός
psuchros
Thayer Definition:
1) cold, cool
1a) of cool water
2) metaphorically
2a) cold, i.e. sluggish, inert
2b) in mind: of one destitute of warm Christian faith and the desire for holiness
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: from G5592
Citing in TDNT: 2:876, 296
Hot
ζεστός
zestos
Thayer Definition:
1) boiling hot, hot
2) metaphorically of fervour of mind an zeal
Part of Speech: adjective
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: from G2204
Citing in TDNT: 2:876, 296

For me it means people who change their religious belief/actions on very frequent basis.
Doubters.
Perhaps also people acting religious when it's beneficial.
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John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: What does Lukewarm mean
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2011, 02:46:39 AM »
Hmmm . . .luke warm waters . . .neither hot, nor cold.  No convictions either way.  Live and let live . . .no emotion to those with much, no concern toward those with little.   No hunger for truth, no desire for freedom.

The only thing that pops up for me is the fact that Jesus stated out of our bellies will flow rivers of living water.  Odd that he said bellies and not hearts, or mouths or breaths . . .my belly is what greets what I eat.  What did Jesus say about being defiled?  It's not what comes in, but it's that which comes out.  God is not a simmering smolder of ash, he's a consuming fire.  A lilving, breathing, always-reaching-for-more, consuming fire.  We are "in" him but how can we be "in" him and not be affected by the moving of his fire?  He spews us out of his mouth, we're forced out of his word.  We're shut out from his revelational intimacy and freedom. 

What would the results of that be?  Eternal torment all over again?  I hardly think so.  There's another passage in Revelation that talks about the Euphrates river drying up.  Euphrates means "fruitfulness".  Why would the fruitfulness dry up?  It's a preparation for something greater than fruitfulness.  In our fruitfulness there is the tendancy to become lathargic . . .luke warm . . .but the fruitfulness dries up in "preparation for the KINGS OF THE EAST". 

Do we not realize that "we" are kings and priests?  Our crowns of thorn have been removed.  The curse of the mind has been transformed from thorns to gold.  Priceless purity . . the purging of the fire has dried up the river of our fruitfulness . . .it was "our" fruitfulness that was keeping the sons of God  . .. kings and priests . . .from coming into their true identity . . .we are not of "this" world, we are of the "East".  Was it not kings of the east that came to bless Christ with gold, frankensence and mhyrh?  What's "east" got to do with it?

What ascends from the east every new day of the week?  Is it not about the message of resurrection?  The rising of the sun/Son?  So . . .those who are luke warm are those who've become careless (uncaring) about their positions, their identity, their hunger . . .so God spits them out of his mouth . . .he removes their fruitful positions . . .in doing so, they "become" hungry . . .their perspectives have changed, the kings of the east are now bringing in the message of resurrection . . .not death, not burial, but resurrection.

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Re: What does Lukewarm mean
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2011, 09:19:45 AM »
I have read about this once.

Christ says He wished we were hot or cold, but not lukewarm. Cold are those people who have not found converted to Jesus yet, hot are those who have converted and do not return to the old ways. Lukewarm are those who have converted but who went back to the world, people who don't express love for Jesus or for other men.

It must be remembered that the point of the christian faith is to make humans like Jesus. We can't stop halfway on this route, or worse, turn back to follow ourselves again.

However, it must be noted that to be in Christ is not a decrease - Jesus came to make us rich. There is an inexhaustible fullness in Christ. Which, I think, points to UR being true because it is simply far richer than ET christianity.