"They knew nothing of sin, sin nature, and other things, they didn't even know what evil or good was until they disobeyed."
Well, the Lord God told man he would die, man didnt know what death was either, so what was the threat? And I do not accept that man and woman disobeyed, for them to disobey, God would have relinquished His sovreignity. The fall of man... points to man being out of the plan and purpose of God. ( Now we cant go there.)
It is of my belief that God anticipates what flows out of harmony with him, and uses it to exponentially increase his glory when he shows his power and realigns it into his purposes. But indeed we shall not go there.
I'll only point out that there is a difference between having knowledge, and having experience. See this parable for example:
An old grandma tells her young grandson;
"If you go out after dark in this city, you'll get shot."
Now, the young man knows what a gun is, and a bullet, and has some inkling of an idea that it is all very much dangerous, but he is only a young man after all, and his priorities are still innocent. And so he stays out late one night and finds himself soon surrounded by a surly gang. One of them pulls a gun and shoots him in the leg - "Let that be a warning to you" the gang member says.
Now the young man has experience, and it is nothing at all like what he imagined it would be. The pain is excruciating, and he passes out, he's not nearly as brave as he thought he'd be.
"That is also perhaps how Satan (if Tradition holds truth in this area) fell to begin with."
You have that right, " if tradition" is true; If you leave our Isaiah 12 and Ezk. 28, you throw tradition out the window and well you should. I see no place in the Bible(please correct me if I err) where the Adversary was created.
When it comes to Tradition, there are two forms of it; Lore, which is good for parables, and applying, and then there is "Traditions of Men" which are made into doctrines. All I know is that Jesus saw Satan fall like lightning, and he had to fall from somewhere. Why he fell, was most likely because he sinned, and his sin had to come from somewhere, it probably came out of his own self "inequity was found in him", which probably arose when he started looking at his own beauty.
But I think I will do a study on this, and see what I find, now that I am intrigued.
I read where the adversary can:
2Co 11:14 And not it is wonderful; himself for the adversary is transformed into a messenger of light;
Please you seem to know your way around the Greek the translation. How does it read in the Greek?
KJV: And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
CLV: And no marvel, for Satan same
is being transfigured into a messenger of light.
Kai ou thaumaston autos gar ho satanas metaschematizetai eis aggelon photos.
and not marvelous[marvelous-thing] same[himself] for the satan[Heb. Adversary| Satan] is-being-after-figured[is-being-transfigured] into messenger of-light.
My rendering would be: It is not a marvelous thing that Satan himself is being transfigured into a messenger of light.
The word for "himself" is autos, which is also used for example in John 12: 24 in the statements;
Kai ho pempsas me pater autos memartureken peri me:
And the one-sending me Father same[himself] has-witnessed[has-testified] about[concerning] me.
And also in John 16:27;
Autos gar ho pater philei humas hoti humeis eme pephilekate kai pepisteukate hoti ego para tou theou exelthon.
Same[himself] for the father is-being-fond[is-being-fond-of] ye that[seeing-that] me have-been fond[have-been-fond-of] and ye-have-believed[have-believed] that I beside of-the God came-out.
KJV Jn 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
CLV Jn 16:27 for the Father Himself is fond of you, seeing that you are fond of Me, and have believed that I came out from God
The above is the Emph. Diag. the KJV reads the same. ASV reads 2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for even Satan fashioneth himself into an angel of light. The Emphatic reads that it is not of his power, where as the ASV says its his power.
I believe it makes a difference.
The reason I say that is if Jesus can do nothing of Himself Joh 5:19 Jesus therefore responded and said to them, `Verily, verily, I say to you, The Son is not able to do anything of himself, if he may not see the Father doing anything; for whatever things He may do, these also the Son in like manner doth;
Then how could the adversary possiblly do anything like transform himself?
There are several possible interpretations, and several of which are probably correct. Two that I would list as possible are;
2Co 11:12 Now what I am doing and will be doing is that I should strike off the incentive from those wanting an incentive, that in what they are boasting they may be found according as we also. "
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, fraudulent workers, being transfigured into apostles of Christ. "
2Co 11:14 And no marvel, for Satan himself is being transfigured into a messenger of light. "
2Co 11:15 It is no great thing, then, if his servants also are being transfigured as dispensers of righteousness - whose consummation shall be according to their acts. "
2Co 11:12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
2Co 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Co 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
1: It is not hard to put on a friendly mask and pretend. People do it in church all the time; argue in the car all the way there, get to the door and put on a big smile and a "praise the Lord sister Nesbit!" while inside they loathe...Mrs. Nesbit...
2: Satan is being transfigured by people's interpretations, like Satanists and Prometheus cults who put him up as "The beautiful one, Lucifer, who gave us freedom from God, or 'gave us fire(wisdom/choice/etc)'". Part of this may have something to do with his own power by means of vile encouragement of it.
11:12 - What I am doing, and will be doing, is take away incentive from those who want it in order that they might boast, and by boasting might affect our image in the eyes of the people we are trying to witness to.
11:13 - For such people are false apostles, and fraudulent workers being transfigured into apostles of Christ.
11:14 - And it is no wonder! Satan himself is being transfigured into a messenger of light.
11:15 - It is no great thing then, if his servants are also being transfigured into apostles, or messengers of light or righteousness. Their end result shall be according to their actions! (a statement; "they'll get theirs soon")