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Quote from: rosered on Today at 02:10:04 AM

  Its weird I was just looking up the   seven women  taking a hold of one man
 
  in Isaiah 4   1For seven women will take hold of one man in that day, saying, "We will eat our own bread and wear our own clothes, only let us be called by your name; take away our reproach!" 2In that day the Branch of the LORD will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth will be the pride and the adornment of the survivors of Israel.
 
  I was thinking but could be wrong   if it is the 7 churches/women  in the right hand of the Lord in Rev 2 and 3 ?
 Just curious to yours or anyone opinion
I have not heard of that, so would have to think on it to offer my opinion.  :dontknow: At first glance I see the similarity of 7, but there are differences which do not appear to mesh with both accounts as to the character of the women and the character of the assemblies.

 
 
I agree   with you   those 7 women seem like a part of Babylon to me ,   a Husband to  ONE man iysh Strong's H376 - 'iysh
אִישׁ
Transliteration
'iysh
Pronunciation
ēsh (Key)

Part of Speech
masculine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
Contracted for אֱנוֹשׁ (H582) [or perhaps rather from an unused root meaning to be extant] still in existence; surviving.
TWOT Reference
83a
Outline of Biblical Usage
man

man, male (in contrast to woman, female)

husband

human being, person (in contrast to God)

servant

mankind

champion

great man

whosoever

each (adjective)
 
 I have wonderred about this for a few years  now
   the main reason I have  is because of John 's  revelations      of seeing the  Great Harlot and abomination  of the earth   Babylon and  was in awe of her splendor    in the earth
 
 and thought if  He even being in the Spirit on the Lords Day and receiving all this  unveiling of    Prophecy /Jesus Christ   by the Spirit     had to be corrected  by the Messenger   as to why are you in awe of her??  AND  the scriptures message  of , "if it were possible even the very elect would be deceived"


 the very elect of God  and it was not possible because John was corrected  right there on the spot   in the Spirit  by a spiritual  messenger         /angel

   also by Jesus  in Matt 24  as to the false christ's /anointed ones     and as to where they were to look and  most not to look and that being even in the secret chambers  of the hearts to me        Matt 23 describes   its Jerusalem    Jesus is directly speaking to   , the lost  and  wandering off sheep of Israel .

 , I just have to wonder also if    those  7 churches/assemblies /women  are like a    race   and are  Like Paul mentions running the race as to receive the prize  of the Higher calling  and that is the Spirit saying come up here    , Jesus being the   Reward    and Jesus says His rewards are with Him  ,

and noted in every one of these   women  / assemblies are corrections     with flaws   and errors /sins     that have to be chastened  by the Lord Jesus  and the rewards of overcoming     ,  this overcoming is like    running a race that Paul speaks of    that can and does beset us  , or causes a stumbling block in the way  that we have to   overcome or  escape  as a trap in
 
   and thought of the 7 hills/ rulers   and Jesus does appoint seven stars / messengers over the   seven women or assemblies

Maybe this is the test that comes upon the whole word to test them ?      all in the Hnd /power of Jesus Christ  to bring correction  as found in Isaiah 4  for Gods glory
 
 


 
 I know   that  the  seven hills are in Rome and Jerusalem  and than there is Sodom and Egypt /symbolically called is Jerusalem  and is also that is called Babylon also  ,

 Babylon is divided into  3 parts     we have  some old testament  scriptures   to prove this  as well as some new  , they all  have  patterns to them
 
  Jerusalem went into  Babylon  captivity    and you could not  hardly tell the difference between the two  , Babylon affected Jerusalem    where  the good and bad figs they were the  "fruit "  of their doings  ,  those coming our were good really good and the others coming out were worse
 we can by allegory see Gal 4   as Paul to saying the same things  of servants to heirs as children and no difference    but only though the tutoring/  teaching and correction 

  we also Know Paul addresses  the earthly Jerusalem in name only !!  but is 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answers to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.  Not Babylon  who appears   glorious in the earth      and answers to Jerusalem

some examples ...
 Rev 11  and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified.[Jerusalem ]   

Jer 23:14   I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem an horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
 Revelations   16
 
 18And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. 20And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.

Rev 17:9   And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sits.   we know this is the  fake  image in the earth [ seven spirits more wicked than himself     Jesus tells when you go out seeking  in dry places ]
 
 I wonder about the  7   assemblies as a Menorah as well   the lampstands that  can have their light  put out  as a warning ,    that is under the control of the Lord Jesus Christ     
  For me its hard to tell   one is above and heavenly  the other is  earthly and below     and that is the main distinctions    between the two   sets of   7  women   assemblies /churches        the Holy and life giving   is above and Spirit
   the below is  also spiritual but deadly and devouring
 
 I know this is  pretty choppy  , and hard to follow    , I do apologize for that
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Quote from: rosered on Today at 02:10:04 AM

 I wonder about the  7   assemblies as a Menorah as well   the lampstands that  can have their light  put out  as a warning ,    that is under the control of the Lord Jesus Christ     
  For me its hard to tell   one is above and heavenly  the other is  earthly and below     and that is the main distinctions    between the two   sets of   7  women   assemblies /churches        the Holy and life giving   is above and Spirit
   the below is  also spiritual but deadly and devouring

This is all way above my pay grade and I'm not exactly sure what you are asking. But I give you some info on how things looked in the literal world....

Messiah says the seven stars in His right hand are the seven angels of the seven assemblies. The Greek word here translated as angel means messenger, whether spirit or human. This isn't talking about spirit beings in this case. It's talking about the messenger of the assembly to whom the message to each respective assembly is entrusted. Letters need not be sent to spirits, but are sent to men.

Every assembly of believers was structured after the structure of ancient Israel. In ancient Israel, in every town, there was a body of elders who were responsible for the government of the town and there was one among the elders who was the leader. He was called the nasi. He was the prince of the elders. He served as president of the body of elders with the final responsibility falling upon him.

Among the assemblies of early believers the president of the elders was deemed the messenger of the assembly. He was the one responsible to receive this Revelation message and to see it was conveyed to the assembly as well as to lead in its implementation. As such he was like a star in the right hand of Messiah, to carry out His will. (Rev 2:1, 8, 12, 18, 3:1, 7, 14)

Now, let's put this picture all together. We see the resurrected and exalted Messiah coming as High Priest, walking in the midst of the menorahs, tending to the menorahs, judging them. He has the seven stars in His right hand, in His direct control. Messiah is thus in control of the messengers of the assemblies, who speak for Him. With this picture Revelation begins with Messiah judging-not the world-but His own.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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 interesting aside;  in regard to the seven women....saying...we will eat our own bread[not Christ the bread of heaven]

  and wear our own clothes[not put on Christ]   generally a husband provided such things for his spouse

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ps   I believe Mecca is  located on 7 hills,too.  I read it somewhere,but can't recall where..... :sigh:

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interesting aside;  in regard to the seven women....saying...we will eat our own bread[not Christ the bread of heaven]

  and wear our own clothes[not put on Christ]   generally a husband provided such things for his spouse

 Exactly  !    and does this not sound Like Babylon ?       in NAME ONLY   
 
 Just as Hosea  with a  unfaithful wife  , in name only ?
 
  I gathered some thoughts that are  disturbing
  the reason for this thread     
 
   I know the Lord Jesus  says he  gave Babylon  lots of room and space to repent   , a looooong time
 and Why is she called mystery Babylon   a Woman  /church /assembly      and    the abomination of the earth
 
 who is she really ?
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Hills, mountains and trees all have the symbolic meaning of authority, leadership, high ranking, etc.

So it could be linked to:

Rev 17:10 They are also seven kings (=hills). Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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I think folks here are sooooooo much into deeper meanings that sometimes a simple, literal explanation is neglected.  I see this passage as pertaining to a time future to the writer, when most of the men of Israel (not Jews) are dead, and most women are widows.  It could refer to the Assyrian captivity or the Babylonian captivity, both of which involved the military defeat of Israel.  Both actions would have left a lot of widows.
Socrates taught Plato.  Plato taught Aristotle.  Aristotle tutored the son of Philip of Macedon.  This boy grew up to become Alexander the Great, largely by slaughtering a lot of people.  That's philosophy.

Jesus spoke the Truth.  He blessed the poor.  He healed the sick.  He even raised the dead.  He died on a cross for us, lived again, and came back long enough to tell us to love one another.  That's religion.

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Quote from: rosered on Today at 02:10:04 AM

 I wonder about the  7   assemblies as a Menorah as well   the lampstands that  can have their light  put out  as a warning ,    that is under the control of the Lord Jesus Christ     
  For me its hard to tell   one is above and heavenly  the other is  earthly and below     and that is the main distinctions    between the two   sets of   7  women   assemblies /churches        the Holy and life giving   is above and Spirit
   the below is  also spiritual but deadly and devouring

This is all way above my pay grade and I'm not exactly sure what you are asking. But I give you some info on how things looked in the literal world....

Messiah says the seven stars in His right hand are the seven angels of the seven assemblies. The Greek word here translated as angel means messenger, whether spirit or human. This isn't talking about spirit beings in this case. It's talking about the messenger of the assembly to whom the message to each respective assembly is entrusted. Letters need not be sent to spirits, but are sent to men.

Every assembly of believers was structured after the structure of ancient Israel. In ancient Israel, in every town, there was a body of elders who were responsible for the government of the town and there was one among the elders who was the leader. He was called the nasi. He was the prince of the elders. He served as president of the body of elders with the final responsibility falling upon him.

Among the assemblies of early believers the president of the elders was deemed the messenger of the assembly. He was the one responsible to receive this Revelation message and to see it was conveyed to the assembly as well as to lead in its implementation. As such he was like a star in the right hand of Messiah, to carry out His will. (Rev 2:1, 8, 12, 18, 3:1, 7, 14)

Now, let's put this picture all together. We see the resurrected and exalted Messiah coming as High Priest, walking in the midst of the menorahs, tending to the menorahs, judging them. He has the seven stars in His right hand, in His direct control. Messiah is thus in control of the messengers of the assemblies, who speak for Him. With this picture Revelation begins with Messiah judging-not the world-but His own.


  I totally agree with you   that is is the   Messiahs  judgments if you read Isaiah 4 it is a short   but powerful   message  and sounds like the Cross  of Christ to me is when this  cleansing begins    He was crucified   what is called  symbolically Sodom/burning  and Egypt /double  distress  or   Golgotha    /crushing the heads of giants           and I noticed  Zion comes from out of Jerusalem
 
all within His   own    , the world is already judged   because of the darkness  all over the land      and they love it  more than the LIGHT
 
 and those 7  women   are the assemblies      that   are the Lit up   and burning   LIGHTS/SPIRITS   OF THE WORLD BY THE HOLY ONE
 
 I am only trying to discern and distinguish between    the  two   types and  all those names given   and which ones are which  or if they are even    one and the same      and one is the earthly   woman  where men still worship men   and all the pomp and error      or if the one of heaven is where the true God is worshiped in Spirit and truth and is our  true mother  above that  of all   born again of God belong



 
 4  And seven women shall take hold of one man in that day, saying, We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel: only let us be called by thy name; take thou away our reproach.

2 In that day shall the branch of Jehovah be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land shall be excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem;

4 when the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof, by the spirit of justice, and by the spirit of burning.
 
 
 Here Jesus calls the name twice   Jerusalem    the  heavenly  and earthly   double   distress ?     I believe  with all  that is, when Jesus calls anything twice it means   something  very important    and not to be overlooked    , but considered    a prophecy      ,  the name Jerusalem  from above means    set  double peace   G2419
 The Lords prayer    your kingdom come your will be done on earth as it is in heaven    ..and it could be the Old and New testaments as a double witness   
   
 Matthew 23 ;3737 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that kills the prophets, and stones them that are sent unto her! how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

 Matt 23 ;35     all the blood shed upon the EARTH    ,,from righteous Abel to  Zacharias     whom YOU SLEW   BETWEEN   the Temple and Altar    now considering the  temple and altar   as earthly Jerusalem    and heaven is Gods throne and the earth is His footstool Jehovah symbolically dwelt in the holy place between the cherubim

 above the ark of the covenant.

 The ark was his footstool (1 Chronicles 28:2; Psalm 99:5; 132:7). And as heaven is God's throne, so the earth is his footstool (Psalm 110:1; Isaiah 66:1; Matthew 5:35).

 Can you see those connections now  better ?   

5 And Jehovah will create over the whole habitation of mount Zion, and over her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night; for over all the glory shall be spread a covering.
 
 ZION IS CALLED THE CITY OF DAVID "Zion" in the Bible is 2 Samuel 5:7: "Nevertheless, David captured the fortress of Zion, the City of David." "Zion," therefore, was originally the name of the ancient Jebusite fortress in the city of Jerusalem.
     SO  Jerusalem     is  very  significant  and  actually  is the  SIGN   to me  of prophecy  and how this change would come to   Change by Jesus  Christ Himself by the Fathers own Spirit    ...     
6 And there shall be a pavilion for a shade in the day-time from the heat, and for a refuge and for a covert from storm and from rain.
 
 this is all the protection signs of all the plagues of Revelation  of Jesus Christ     in the above verse    for Babylon

 and same cloud of smoke by day and flame and fire by night       and   both    singing the song of Moses and the song of the Lamb
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Hills, mountains and trees all have the symbolic meaning of authority, leadership, high ranking, etc.

So it could be linked to:

Rev 17:10 They are also seven kings (=hills). Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while.

 Yes  I have read about  this before  Tony !!   
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Just a thought.

The seven woman want the name of the man but besides of that they don't want a relationship with him.

Thinking out loud here.
Him is Jesus
7 women are 7 churches.

The churches all want the name CHRISTian but considering their flaws they just go their own way.
While the above is true for all 7 churches it may be to harsh for some, because some did quite ok.

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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: I wanted to talk about this without changing the subject on another tread
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2014, 06:42:46 PM »
I think folks here are sooooooo much into deeper meanings that sometimes a simple, literal explanation is neglected.  I see this passage as pertaining to a time future to the writer, when most of the men of Israel (not Jews) are dead, and most women are widows.  It could refer to the Assyrian captivity or the Babylonian captivity, both of which involved the military defeat of Israel.  Both actions would have left a lot of widows.

  I know ,  for that generation     its a truth ,  but there is something very  deep seated in this  LAZ  , and want to  bring it all out  in the open
  I have been so     , I am going to use the word "unsettled"      ,     when you get to settled in something you get   " stagnate "   
 
 
 This  is  something   I really  have to do ...  and do not know why ?   
 
  There is a lot more to learning   the patterns and  why they are important  , 
 God could have left all this stuff out     and made it so very    easy ,     being ONE IN CHRIST
 
 and that was all   , but the warning of      Babylon is very  significant  right now  and to know just what your dealing with .   
 

There is so much hidden and deep  meanings   to make us rock solid in Jesus Christ   OUR ROCK and to me  , this might just be me , they are very important  to  understand , not just know  it   , to me there is a difference   between   knowing something and understanding  what you know

Nothing is impossible with God           :HeartThrob:
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: I wanted to talk about this without changing the subject on another tread
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2014, 07:02:37 PM »
Just a thought.

The seven woman want the name of the man but besides of that they don't want a relationship with him.

Thinking out loud here.
Him is Jesus
7 women are 7 churches.

The churches all want the name CHRISTian but considering their flaws they just go their own way.
While the above is true for all 7 churches it may be to harsh for some, because some did quite ok.

 :dontknow:

  Thank you  Tony
  I do believe    our last day /LIGHT    woman   ,  is the one with the most    importance to us right now  , the   6th was the Philadelphian    Church of brotherly love   and these examples for us to follow    and  how did it get to Laodicea      victory of the people  or   (justice of the people ),  to become  such  a  lukewarm state   ?
 
  and the  threat of  rejection and spewing out of His mouth ?     

  they are in pitiful shape and yet believe they are covered and rich and  wealthy    ?    naked  and blind !!!
 
 Where they not  buying from Jesus but the  Babylon   spirit and were deceived into thinking it was the true   Woman/assembly     and Jesus  they had ? 

 
Jesus is the reward  !!

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Re: I wanted to talk about this without changing the subject on another tread
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2014, 07:31:48 PM »
I'm not sure what's with Laodicea (the privileged church)
No matter their stupidity Jesus asks them to marry Him. (He knocks on the door)

Why lukewarm?
Lots of things of the seven churches are related to their history and geography. This church was in a city that had no water supply of its own. Via aqueducts it was supplied with hot and cold water coming from springs in neighboring cities. When the water arrived it was lukewarm. And it tasted bad because the aqueducts were polluted.

Of court geography isn't the main point of Jesus but it may give some hints.

The water came from far. Perhaps they were distant from the Teachings. They knew things. They heard things. But it was all second hand water/knowledge

Warm+cold=lukewarm = mixing teachings?
They had no own springs. Springs often stand for water of life.
300BC the city was renamed "people judge/opinion" but before that it was called "City of Zeus". When the letter was written the city was still a major Zeus worship center with lots of Roman/Greek philosophy.  In fact the church was just a tiny Christian island in pagan city. So that may have influenced the Christians. On on side they were truly Christian but on the other side they were affected by the paganism of the city.


1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: I wanted to talk about this without changing the subject on another tread
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2014, 08:44:24 PM »
I'm not sure what's with Laodicea (the privileged church)
No matter their stupidity Jesus asks them to marry Him. (He knocks on the door)

Why lukewarm?
Lots of things of the seven churches are related to their history and geography. This church was in a city that had no water supply of its own. Via aqueducts it was supplied with hot and cold water coming from springs in neighboring cities. When the water arrived it was lukewarm. And it tasted bad because the aqueducts were polluted.

Of court geography isn't the main point of Jesus but it may give some hints.

The water came from far. Perhaps they were distant from the Teachings. They knew things. They heard things. But it was all second hand water/knowledge

Warm+cold=lukewarm = mixing teachings?
They had no own springs. Springs often stand for water of life.
300BC the city was renamed "people judge/opinion" but before that it was called "City of Zeus". When the letter was written the city was still a major Zeus worship center with lots of Roman/Greek philosophy.  In fact the church was just a tiny Christian island in pagan city. So that may have influenced the Christians. On on side they were truly Christian but on the other side they were affected by the paganism of the city.

  Yes !! Thanks Tony ,  that was what I was trying to say in other words , that there was so much mixing of the hot and cold  =lukewarm   and holy and profane =offspring  ?,     that it had become   confusion by mixing  of the two   that God   will always separate      /divide   /  thresh  /cast out /spew   

I will just put the whole thing up here .

  Babylon       Etymology and meaning of the name Babel
The Sumerian name of the city we know as Babel or Babylon was Bab-ilim, and that means Gate Of The Deity. But the Bible demands that our city was named Babel because YHWH did something to the common tongue. That something is conveyed by the somewhat similar Hebrew verb בלל (balal): "On account of this its name is called בבל Babel because YHWH balalled the speech of all the earth there" (Genesis 11:9):

Abarim Publications Theological Dictionary
בלל  יבל
The two root-verbs בלל (bll) and יבל (ybl) both have to do with a flowing or a conveying. Officially they're not related but their forms are certainly adjacent, and they produce similar derivations:
בלל
HAW Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament says about the use of the Hebrew verb בלל (balal) in the Bible: "A ritualistic term used of mixing oil into the flour or meal of the cereal offering until every particle of flour was mingled or anointed with oil."
All but one of the occurrences of this verb have to do with mingling or mixing, and that usually of oil with flour (Exodus 29:2, Leviticus 2:4, Numbers 8:8). Only once is this verb used in the sense of anointing a human person: in Psalm 92:10 the Psalmist cries out, "Thou has exalted my horn like that of the wild ox; I have been anointed with fresh oil."
A curious and quite poetic usage occurs in Hosea 7:8, where Ephraim mixes himself among the peoples." Another off-par usage occurs in the tower of Babel cycle, where God "anoints" (or traditionally: confuses) the languages of the people (Genesis 11:7).
The derivatives of this verb are:
The masculine noun בליל (belil), meaning fodder (Isaiah 30:24, Job 6:5).
The verb בלל (balal), which is derived of the preceding noun and means to give fodder (Judges 19:21 only).
The masculine noun שבלול (shabbelul), meaning snail (Psalm 58:8). BDB Theological Dictionary suggests that the snail was known by this word on account of the oily residue it leaves where it goes. Words formed by sticking the letter ש (shin or sin) in front of a root are rare.
The masculine noun תבל (tebel), meaning confusion or perversion (Leviticus 18:23 and Leviticus 20:12 only).
The masculine noun תבלל (teballul), meaning confusion or obscurity (Leviticus 21:20 only).
יבל
The root-verb יבל (yabal) means to produce or denotes a being carried or dragged along by some greater force. It's used for offerings that are being carried along with the worshippers of YHWH (Zephaniah 3:10), or the "feet" or Tyre, that used to carry her to distant places (Isaiah 23:7). Returning exiles are lead home (Jeremiah 23:8, Isaiah 55:12) and Job laments him being carried from womb to tomb (Job 10:19).
This verb's derivatives are:
The masculine noun יבל (yabal), meaning water course or conduit. This word is used only in plural (Isaiah 30:25 and 44:4).
The masculine noun יובל (yubal), meaning stream (Jeremiah 17:8 only).
The masculine noun יבול (yebul), denoting produce from the soil (Deuteronomy 32:22, Habakkuk 3:17).
The masculine noun בול (bul), meaning produce or outgrowth (Job 40:20 and Isaiah 44:19 only).
The masculine noun יובל (yobel) or יבל (yobel), literally meaning "a carrier" or "a producer." It may denote a trumpet, i.e. ram's horn (Exodus 19:13, Joshua 6:5), but it may also denote the principle of Jubilee (because no, the year of Jubilee was not the year of the ram's horn, a ram's horn was a producer; Leviticus 25:13, Numbers 36:4).
The adjective יבל (yabbal), meaning running, in the sense of a running (suppurating) sore (Leviticus 22:22).
The masculine noun אובל ('ubal), meaning stream or river (Daniel 8:2-6 only; in reference to the river Ulai).
The feminine noun תבל (tebel), meaning world or land, probably primarily to be understood in the sense of its flows and currents; the economy, whether the natural or the financial one (Isaiah 24:4, Job 37:12, 2 Samuel 22:16). This word tebel is one of two regular words for world; the other is ארץ (eres). In Isaiah 14:17 תבל (tebel) is used once as a masculine noun.
Note
Note the connection between this root verb יבל (yabal) and the root group אבל ('abal) and the root שבל (shabal).
Associated Biblical names
⌂Abel-beth-maacah   אבל בית מעכה
⌂Abel-keramimאבל כרמים
⌂Abel-meholahאבל מחולה
⌂Abel-mizraimאבל מצרים
⌂Abel-craptimאבל השטים
⌂Babelבבל
Βαβυλων
≣Bulבול
⌂Ibleamיבלעם
♂Jabalיבל
♂Jubalיובל
≣Jubileeיובל
♂Obilאוביל
♂Tubalתובל
♂Tubal-cainתובל־קין
♂Zerubbabelזרבבל
Although the verb balal indicates a mixing, it does not suggest chaos. For a meaning of the name Babel, both Jones' Dictionary of Old Testament Proper Names and NOBSE Study Bible Name List read Confusion, but if this name was derived of the verb balal it much rather means Anointment or Consecration.

Also note that the text of Genesis 11:9 does not at all suggest that the name בבל (Babel) was derived from the verb בלל (balal). All it says is that the place was called Gate Of The Deity because YHWH anointed the languages there.
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Re: I wanted to talk about this without changing the subject on another tread
« Reply #14 on: December 19, 2014, 09:02:20 PM »
Ok Rosey. It looks all so contradictory.

This church gets no compliment at all.
But Jesus knocks on their door to has her for marriage which is the biggest possible compliment.

Does Jesus wants a bride who's lukewarm, poor, blind and naked?

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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: I wanted to talk about this without changing the subject on another tread
« Reply #15 on: December 19, 2014, 11:54:44 PM »
Ok Rosey. It looks all so contradictory.

This church gets no compliment at all.
But Jesus knocks on their door to has her for marriage which is the biggest possible compliment.

Does Jesus wants a bride who's lukewarm, poor, blind and naked?

 :dontknow:

I believe being lukewarm, poor, blind and naked is the bride.
Glory to the risen Christ.