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Offline FreeAtLast

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Following Men
« on: June 20, 2014, 02:44:09 AM »
Paul told his listeners in the new testament to follow him as he followed Yahshua.

Should we follow Paul also according to the way that he walked in the new testament.

Today it is hard to follow men with all the false traditions everywhere-

or another thought and question is should we walk as the new testament Christians walked in the world ?

Has the times changed so that we don't have to walk as the new testament Christians walked ?

We can quote scripture about what was said that we need to do--but we also have examples from the Christians in our bibles of how they carried out their walk.

are we walking in that way today ??

Just some thoughts and questions that was upon my heart  :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob: :HeartThrob:

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Re: Following Men
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2014, 05:39:26 PM »
There are some things about Paul's religion that I don't agree with.  In general I like him though.


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Re: Following Men
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2014, 06:29:40 PM »
we start out as babes..not able to discern the right from the left......yet carnal...He appointed  those more

 mature to 'feed my sheep'  with growth..and the learning to discern the spirit.....we become better able to

  'hear what the spirit is saying/hear His voice' and then we need no man to teachus. for the Hly spirit does.

   the problem with following man is your growth is limited to that man's level of knowledge of the Lord..or

  that man's lack of knowledge of the Lord.  Paul also spoke of seeing through a glass darkly[obscure]..but

that the light should be getting brighter and brighter.  Revelation speaks of mystery's being revealed

  the veil being removed..more light...should we walk in the light of 2000 years ago or of the daily bread for

our times? Jesus being incorrupt..His redletter words never breed worms...but men's partial light can.

      a unique day when it is neither dark nor light   speaks of the parables He taught by....but comes a time

 He speaks plainly...and when He does...should we be shrinking back to the obscure?

  in the parable of the talents...He encourages His people that have talents of 'light' to interact with each other

 and increase one another in the Lord[ Dan says knowledge will increase]  Pride and arrogance will make us

reject any light that a fellow believer may share withus.  holding all things in common..sharing of this bread

  edifies.   wisdom is with a multitude of counselors.

    I've seen 80 something year olds as carnal babes..stunted in growth under their pastors...and the pastors

like it that way[bread and butter]   He's the door of the sheepfold...He can lead us forth from such 'pens'

  with muddied waters,stomped pastures..and shepherds that feed themselves off the sheep. my  :2c:


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Re: Following Men
« Reply #3 on: June 21, 2014, 08:14:44 AM »
imo, the walk of the early church is still available, empowered by the Spirit and full of the love and light of the Lord, who is the Logos. However, that walk is available only through the body- it always brings forth and edifies the body. The individual growth of brothers and sisters always leads to the edification of the body(Romans 12, Ephesians 4, 1 Cor 12-14, Acts 2 &4).

"I pray that you may be one even as I and the Father are one"

"By this the world will know you are my disciples- your love for one another"

Is Pauls words Pauls words? Or is it the Logos, God-breathed to be an anchor of the truth throughout this present age? imo, it is the latter, but not by majoring on the minors- rather by understanding the flow  of revelation through those words set in context with the words of Jesus, the prophets, and the other apostles(foundation stones.

As an "oracle", the word becomes illuminated and cohesive in two primary ways- the revelation and understanding given by the Spirit and the discernment gained through the exercise of our senses, spiritually in the experiences of our walk.

As the creative power of God the word becomes effectual and activated through the obedience of faith(By faith we know that the worlds were framed by the word of God......Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God.)

IMO, as long as the word seems like conflicting bits and pieces to someone, 1)they are lacking the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of God(Eph 1) and must pray ffor grace in understanding 2) they lack the experience of interaction with the Spirit, the body and His ways in order to see and hear where the river is, that river that makes glad the city of God, flowing between the lines, beneath and above "the letter"- yet wholly in order, harmony and unity within that which has been written, and that which is the "Today if you hear His voice" - "Let the one who has ears to hear, hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches" of  relevant testimony in the now of God.

imo seeing conflicts in the word, as if God did not write it or as if He didnt have the ability to sustain His own mind in the writers He chose as He unfolded His wisdom throughout the generations of His servants, simply beckons us further up, further in. Rather than debate details here below, God calls us, "Come up here"(seated in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus) and "Come in here"(into the holy of holies) to be renewed in our minds, so that we can "prove what is the good and the acceptable(to God) will of God."(Ro  12:1-3)
The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood.

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Re: Following Men
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2014, 08:46:52 PM »
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"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor