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Offline rrich7

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How To Treat Others
« on: February 19, 2014, 04:06:36 AM »
Often we have questions of how to deal with other sinners (seems mainly people focus on homosexuals). Maybe that's an E.T left over? I say that because Christians seems to have a "need" to point out homosexuality more than some other sins or seem to have the hardest time dealing with it.

I think at times we take it upon ourselves to do the correcting. We (when I say this I just speak generally) feel it is our job as Christians to point out other people's sinfulness & tell them how wrong they are, why they are wrong & how they should correct it.

Well, if we do this, no matter how 'nice' its said, we come off rather judgy. I believe that Paul said & I'm paraphrasing, that if one of our members of the church slip up, we should correct them (correct me if I'm wrong), but I don't think that stood for our brothers & sisters not yet in the church. We are all here to correct & support each other in Christ, however when it comes to someone who has not yet come to the knowledge of the good news I believe its important we take a different approach & here is why.

    They are not unlike us, with the exception that our veil has become a little less obscure. They are human, born into sin, struggles, pain & suffering just as we are.  I believe we all agree that our life here is part of the learning process in becoming whole for Gods purpose to become all in all. Each of individual is on a path to correction, is it no surprise that our paths are all different but lead to the same end.   :dsunny: Some people struggle with certain sins more than others, whether it is the act of them or the temptation. Maybe each individual is subject to certain things so they get the learning experience necessary for their individual growth.

I say that to say, when we look at other people, we need to realize they are on the same journey but maybe just in a different place in their journey. I think that is why it is important to try our best not to judge & show lots of love! We can't know their hearts, only God knows them. We only know what we see, but we don't know the path that led them their or the struggles that they have faced/are facing. The love & light that shines exudes from within us should be enough to help give comfort to the hurt, the struggling & the lost. The last thing they need is a sermon on their sin which only leaves them feeling more horrible. What they need is a little love.

Our duty to them is to love them & simply plant the seed. God's job to water it, prune it, enhance it, & everything else that follows.


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Re: How To Treat Others
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2014, 04:27:40 AM »
In a word, Good :dsunny:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: How To Treat Others
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2014, 06:00:04 AM »
One thing that I noticed is that Christ loved me even in the midst of my sin.

I enjoy loving people.  All people.  It is a bummer to be judging all the time.  The woman caught in adultery did not get judged by Jesus, but he did say "go and sin no more".

Homosexuality is specifically mentioned as a sin that "does not inherit the kingdom of God".  Does this mean that homosexuals can not know God at all?  I struggle with that.  The Gay people that I have known have been wonderful people.  I choose to not judge it.  I choose to love.  I am judged by the book when I say that and know it. 

God loves the perishing.

John 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

To my knowledge Jesus never addressed sexual sin.  Is it trivial?  Not according to the law.  Not according to Paul.

Matthew 6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Verse like the one above have always been my help.  My personal walk with Christ is what matters.  Is there such a thing as a gay believer?

I was thinking about this the other day and asked my wife if she thought that Gays could be Christians.  Her response was "why would they want to be?"

I had to laugh.

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« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2014, 07:17:15 AM »
Well Ed,

Any sin leaves all of mankind un-able to inherit the kingdom of God based on the bible. It is only by God's grace that we are healed (& thank Him that we all will be), I don't see this as any different. I see there's a lot of scriptures like this that seem absolute that if one does (x,y,z) he cannot inherit the kingdom (this wasn't only mentioned in reference to homosexuality).

1 Corinthians 6:9  Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God?

John 3:5  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

John 3:3 - Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

When Jesus said go & sin no more, I think most of us take that in a very literal sense, meaning very literally be without sin. Well that is not possible in our current state. Even in 'christianity' we struggle with sin or even the temptation of it & I think this is where we get caught up in 'don't sin, don't sin, don't sin.' We expect absolute perfection of ourselves & try to fight the urges ourselves & we become terribly discouraged when we fail. In this flesh it is not possible to be completely sinless because the flesh will always fight the spirit, but does that mean to just go & do as you please? No. We all stumble & fall, but we also feel that sting & gnawing of disappointment in ourselves & regret (which is good) but we should ask forgiveness & strive to do better. If we spend time dwelling on the sin too much our focus is lost.  What I've started to do is focus more on God & love & He begins making the changes so I begin to 'sin less'. 

I don't see a homosexual any differently than a liar, a cheater, a thief, ect, because in God's eyes we are all sinners in need of being saved.  Maybe we should learn to drop the labeling. We as humans place sins on a hierarchy, when sin is sin is sin. While the bible talks about different sins in many different ways, I don't see it saying 'This sin is greater than this, so be EXTRA careful not to do this one'. I do see it saying, If any man commits one, he commits them all.  God forgives ALL of it, so why do put certain sins as less 'harmless' than others? For example a lie is a lie, yet how many of us tell white lies & think of it as less than a lie. Its still a lie & even white lies hurt when the truth is revealed!  :laugh: :laugh: Or we say things like, "Even though I do this ["smaller"] sin at times, I don't struggle with this particular ["bigger seemingly worse"] sin" & we kind of look down on those that do. Sounds a lot like that Pharisee who looked down on that guy on the roadside. We humans are so silly in our reasoning. Could it be that we get too wrapped up in the sin & trying to be perfect & not enough in the loving that is the starting process to bring perfection?

I think the change begins once God starts to water that seed & the plant grows & it won't be fully complete until the veil is completely removed.  Even in our knowing God we are forever changing, forever growing, going through phases of stumbling, learning, stumbling, overcoming. Can a homosexual be a Christian?? OF COURSE! At least that is how it would begin, until God begins to move & make those changes in them.

The love is the start of the process, when we love someone we want to please them, so we try as best we can (within our ability to do so) & in this case, the being we love is sovereign & He is working around us & in us to perfect each & every one of us & the sinful nature we were subjected to; gay or not, a liar or not, an adulterer or not, a hateful bigoted racist, or not, a thief or not, a murderer or not etc.

I think the appropriate question is 'Can a sinner be a chrisitain?'

Well, we all know the answer to that don't we  :dsunny: :dsunny:
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« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2014, 02:50:54 PM »
John 4 is interesting as well.

7 There cometh a woman of Samaria to draw water: Jesus saith unto her, Give me to drink.
8 (For his disciples were gone away unto the city to buy meat.)
9 Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans.
10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
11 The woman saith unto him, Sir, thou hast nothing to draw with, and the well is deep: from whence then hast thou that living water?
12 Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.
15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not, neither come hither to draw.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
17 The woman answered and said, I have no husband. Jesus said unto her, Thou hast well said, I have no husband:
18 For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly.
19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
27 And upon this came his disciples, and marvelled that he talked with the woman: yet no man said, What seekest thou? or, Why talkest thou with her?
28 The woman then left her waterpot, and went her way into the city, and saith to the men,
29 Come, see a man, which told me all things that ever I did: is not this the Christ?

Thanks rr.

Most people are afraid to talk about this stuff.   

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« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2014, 06:32:24 PM »

Most people are afraid to talk about this stuff.   

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They are! But we shouldn't be!  You know this one I'm not sure, I assume she is a "adulterer" of some sort, but I'm not suree. I think I'll read it over & pray on it & get back to ya. :)
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« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2014, 08:15:18 AM »
If we see the soul inside the sin, whatever that may be, we see the jewel that Jesus died for, loved as it was before it was "righteous"- and can look right through the flesh to the spirit within. That spirit will be rained upon by the love of God, perhaps receive a seed that will germinate later on, perhaps not be so surprised to see the eyes of love awaiting at the throne.
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« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2014, 12:42:08 AM »
If we see the soul inside the sin, whatever that may be, we see the jewel that Jesus died for, loved as it was before it was "righteous"- and can look right through the flesh to the spirit within. That spirit will be rained upon by the love of God, perhaps receive a seed that will germinate later on, perhaps not be so surprised to see the eyes of love awaiting at the throne.

That was beautifully said & I actually needed to hear something that made my spirit smile!

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« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2014, 01:36:27 AM »
I am more aware every day that grace is the oil in the gears of this great big machine Paul called, "an administration suitable to the completion of times, the gathering together into one of all things in Christ, whether things on earth or things in the heaven."
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