experiences with UR

[anti_nietzsche]

Could someone tell me about personal spiritual experiences that point to UR being true? Dreams, visions, visitations, that kind of thing? Maybe a site that lists those experiences?

[WhiteWings]

Personal experiences, dreams, visions etc I have not. If a site with NDEs qualifies as visions then there are many UR visions. Many links in the recent NDE thread. If It interests you and you can't locate the thread ask.

[Ross]

Hi;
 Christ states that we should only rely on His resurrection from the dead just as Jonah was in the fish and came back. We do not need any signs to draw us away from the power of His work.
Matt 7;22,23  : Many will say to Me in that day,
Lord! Lord! did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name and perform MANY works of power in your name?
And then I will say to them,
I have NEVER acknowledged you. Depart from Me you workers of lawlessness."

[Aleax]

Could someone tell me about personal spiritual experiences that point to UR being true? Dreams, visions, visitations, that kind of thing? Maybe a site that lists those experiences?

There are quite a many. Here's for starters:

Craig Nolin's Testimony
Heavenly Dog by Charles Slagle
Hannah Whitall Smith's Revelation
Dora van Assen's Experience
Life And Trance of George deBenneville

[Aleax]

Hi;
 Christ states that we should only rely on His resurrection from the dead just as Jonah was in the fish and came back. We do not need any signs to draw us away from the power of His work.

I think there's nothing bad about sharing pro-UR revelations. There are hundreds of sites out there promoting pro-ET revelations. If we are to "just trust Christ" we need to know Him to an extent at least. We probably cannot know every little detail about him, like his favorite color, favorite type of music, whether he prefers Penguins or Capitals etc. but in my opinion, it is very important to know whether He's gonna burn billions forever or not.

[onlytruth]

Right now his favorite are the canucks
go canucks!

[Aleax]

 

Anti Nietzsche, you'll probably find this thread useful, too.

[anti_nietzsche]

Oh nice links.

But it's strange, I have read this  testimony before, but on another site and there it said it was the testimony of a Dr. Anthony Carnasis. What's up with that?

[thinktank]

If you go to Gary videos, you can find out about a famous evangelist who had a word from God that ET is not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Pearson

[Lefein]

Well, if this counts as a spiritual witness;

When I discovered Universalism and found that it was Biblically defendable - and was struggling with whether or not to take the intellectual plunge (my heart accepted it instantly upon seeing it as Biblical, but my intellect needed to catch up) I found myself teeter tottering between Hell-Doctrine, and Victorious-Gospel...

When faced with the doctrine of Hell and what it truly meant in the face of such an overwhelmingly better choice, I found that the yoke of Christ became very, very heavy - physically on my heart and soul, if I had to remain in the belief that Eternal Torment existed, and was God's design - I could not have remained a joyful Christian, and Christ would have become a chain on my life.  I would have ceased to live, in the spiritual sense of living.

The yoke of Christ is not heavy, and such a spiritual death is anathema to Life, the Living One.  Universalism was ultimately, and thoroughly accepted.

[Aleax]

If you go to Gary videos, you can find out about a famous evangelist who had a word from God that ET is not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Pearson

Pearson's "Gospel of Inclusion" is not Biblical UR, tho.

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While we, at Tentmaker Ministries are glad Carlton Pearson has abandoned the traditional belief that most people are going to endlessly burn in Hell, we do not hold to some key positions which seem to come from Carlton Pearson's teachings. We do NOT believe all mankind is presently "saved." At present, our Father is calling out a people among the Gentiles to be joined with a people called out of Israel of old who will become a many-membered Body of Christ who will one day set all creation free from its bondage to corruption. To enter Christ's Body, one must be born from above. Most people will NOT be born from above in this lifetime, they will be called by the Word of God, Jesus at a later time. But as sure as Jesus is both the Lord of the living AND THE DEAD and as sure as He has the keys to both Death and Hell/hades, all of those who died in Adam (which is all humanity) will be made alive in Christ. The grave does not stop He who has all power and authority. When Jesus' enemies are destroyed, the last one being death, then Jesus will gather all mankind and deliver it to God the Father that our Father may be "all in all." (1 Cor. 15:22-28)

We do not believe members of other religions are "saved" at this time. Salvation, which is much more than life after death, comes only through Jesus. Salvation, in the Hebrew sense (not in the traditional Evangelical sense) means to make whole, to heal, to restore, to deliver. Salvation should be just as much our possession on this side of the grave as on the other. We, who have been given salvation should be sharing that salvation through the fruit in our lives by being joined to Christ. We should be ministering to the lost through the gifts of the Holy Spirit He has deposited in us. We should be the salt of the earth, we should be its light. If God wanted to save the entire planet today, He easily could. But He has a plan. In that plan, salvation is extended to people in an order, that order extends beyond our present age. We also believe in evangelism. People come to Christ through the gospel, through preaching the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If one believes everyone is already saved, there is no point in sharing the gospel. We believe this is a mistake. We also believe that as one sows, so shall they reap. There is a liberality among those who teach the Doctrine of Inclusion which violates a whole host of Scriptures dealing with restraining the body with its lusts. Some teach there is no more such thing as sin. We believe in Holiness, not necessarily the Holiness Pentecostal form of heavy legalism, but we believe God holds us accountable to living a moral and orderly life." - Gary Amirault, Tentmaker Ministries

[shawn]

Well, if this counts as a spiritual witness;

When I discovered Universalism and found that it was Biblically defendable - and was struggling with whether or not to take the intellectual plunge (my heart accepted it instantly upon seeing it as Biblical, but my intellect needed to catch up) I found myself teeter tottering between Hell-Doctrine, and Victorious-Gospel...

When faced with the doctrine of Hell and what it truly meant in the face of such an overwhelmingly better choice, I found that the yoke of Christ became very, very heavy - physically on my heart and soul, if I had to remain in the belief that Eternal Torment existed, and was God's design - I could not have remained a joyful Christian, and Christ would have become a chain on my life.  I would have ceased to live, in the spiritual sense of living.

The yoke of Christ is not heavy, and such a spiritual death is anathema to Life, the Living One.  Universalism was ultimately, and thoroughly accepted.

I can see what you are saying.  ET doctrine brings me anxiety, and for me with anxiety comes law.  When faced with such a possible horrible fate, even if you are saved you begin to wonder.  Am I good enough?  I began to dissect everything in an obsessive compulsive fashion.  It lead to miserable living, not a joyful relationship.

ET did not bear good fruit in my life.  When I first heard UR, an instant weight lifted from my chest.  I cried like a young child.  That nagging thorn in my brain was gone.  The Bible made complete sense to me for the first time.  The fruit of this teaching was peace, joy and an ability to not just fear the Lord, but to truly love Him, because I really knew He loves us.

While I have long accepted UR in my heart, my intellect (fleshy thinking) has a hard time accepting it.  I have tried to work it out 100% in my mind looking for undeniable scriptural evidence.

While I am agnostic from an intellectual and teaching standpoint concerning God's judgments.  My heart tells me God has something wonderful and magnificant for mankind and not burning or seperation for eternity.  Today, that gives me tremendous peace.

[jabcat]

If you go to Gary videos, you can find out about a famous evangelist who had a word from God that ET is not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Pearson

Pearson's "Gospel of Inclusion" is not Biblical UR, tho.

---

While we, at Tentmaker Ministries are glad Carlton Pearson has abandoned the traditional belief that most people are going to endlessly burn in Hell, we do not hold to some key positions which seem to come from Carlton Pearson's teachings. We do NOT believe all mankind is presently "saved." At present, our Father is calling out a people among the Gentiles to be joined with a people called out of Israel of old who will become a many-membered Body of Christ who will one day set all creation free from its bondage to corruption. To enter Christ's Body, one must be born from above. Most people will NOT be born from above in this lifetime, they will be called by the Word of God, Jesus at a later time. But as sure as Jesus is both the Lord of the living AND THE DEAD and as sure as He has the keys to both Death and Hell/hades, all of those who died in Adam (which is all humanity) will be made alive in Christ. The grave does not stop He who has all power and authority. When Jesus' enemies are destroyed, the last one being death, then Jesus will gather all mankind and deliver it to God the Father that our Father may be "all in all." (1 Cor. 15:22-28)

We do not believe members of other religions are "saved" at this time. Salvation, which is much more than life after death, comes only through Jesus. Salvation, in the Hebrew sense (not in the traditional Evangelical sense) means to make whole, to heal, to restore, to deliver. Salvation should be just as much our possession on this side of the grave as on the other. We, who have been given salvation should be sharing that salvation through the fruit in our lives by being joined to Christ. We should be ministering to the lost through the gifts of the Holy Spirit He has deposited in us. We should be the salt of the earth, we should be its light. If God wanted to save the entire planet today, He easily could. But He has a plan. In that plan, salvation is extended to people in an order, that order extends beyond our present age. We also believe in evangelism. People come to Christ through the gospel, through preaching the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If one believes everyone is already saved, there is no point in sharing the gospel. We believe this is a mistake. We also believe that as one sows, so shall they reap. There is a liberality among those who teach the Doctrine of Inclusion which violates a whole host of Scriptures dealing with restraining the body with its lusts. Some teach there is no more such thing as sin. We believe in Holiness, not necessarily the Holiness Pentecostal form of heavy legalism, but we believe God holds us accountable to living a moral and orderly life." - Gary Amirault, Tentmaker Ministries

   Aleax

[shawn]

If you go to Gary videos, you can find out about a famous evangelist who had a word from God that ET is not true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlton_Pearson

Pearson's "Gospel of Inclusion" is not Biblical UR, tho.

---

While we, at Tentmaker Ministries are glad Carlton Pearson has abandoned the traditional belief that most people are going to endlessly burn in Hell, we do not hold to some key positions which seem to come from Carlton Pearson's teachings. We do NOT believe all mankind is presently "saved." At present, our Father is calling out a people among the Gentiles to be joined with a people called out of Israel of old who will become a many-membered Body of Christ who will one day set all creation free from its bondage to corruption. To enter Christ's Body, one must be born from above. Most people will NOT be born from above in this lifetime, they will be called by the Word of God, Jesus at a later time. But as sure as Jesus is both the Lord of the living AND THE DEAD and as sure as He has the keys to both Death and Hell/hades, all of those who died in Adam (which is all humanity) will be made alive in Christ. The grave does not stop He who has all power and authority. When Jesus' enemies are destroyed, the last one being death, then Jesus will gather all mankind and deliver it to God the Father that our Father may be "all in all." (1 Cor. 15:22-28)

We do not believe members of other religions are "saved" at this time. Salvation, which is much more than life after death, comes only through Jesus. Salvation, in the Hebrew sense (not in the traditional Evangelical sense) means to make whole, to heal, to restore, to deliver. Salvation should be just as much our possession on this side of the grave as on the other. We, who have been given salvation should be sharing that salvation through the fruit in our lives by being joined to Christ. We should be ministering to the lost through the gifts of the Holy Spirit He has deposited in us. We should be the salt of the earth, we should be its light. If God wanted to save the entire planet today, He easily could. But He has a plan. In that plan, salvation is extended to people in an order, that order extends beyond our present age. We also believe in evangelism. People come to Christ through the gospel, through preaching the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. If one believes everyone is already saved, there is no point in sharing the gospel. We believe this is a mistake. We also believe that as one sows, so shall they reap. There is a liberality among those who teach the Doctrine of Inclusion which violates a whole host of Scriptures dealing with restraining the body with its lusts. Some teach there is no more such thing as sin. We believe in Holiness, not necessarily the Holiness Pentecostal form of heavy legalism, but we believe God holds us accountable to living a moral and orderly life." - Gary Amirault, Tentmaker Ministries

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[Aleax]

Yeah I think that's one of the most common misconceptions about UR. Many believe UR teaches everyone will instantly enter heaven upon death, no matter how they lived. Actually that's why I don't even like to refer to myself as "a universalist".

[DrAnthonyCarnasis]

Hello,

It is true,   However, due to the a series of incidents regarding my name being associated with Universalism, my fiance and my family have been harassed by ETC Christianity about my stand on the subject. As a result, I have taken liberty to take a few steps backward. If anyone truly wants to talk to me, they only need to email me on that website.

Your Truly,
Dr. Anthony Carnasis.