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« on: October 08, 2012, 11:47:48 AM »
Seeing as how I just got three of them, I suppose I have to ask the opinion of those who have an opinion about Christians and tattoos. I'm not sure why I got them other than it just being a novelty. I've thought about it for years, though I don't know why. Maybe it's like the question of why did the man climb that mountain? A: because it was there. The really pathetic thing about it all is that I'm 50.  :laugh:

One is on my left forearm and is a simple outline of a cross, like a stencil. The other is on my right forearm and is a descending dove in a flame (which is a standard symbol of the Holy Spirit. The last is script on the underside of my right forearm and says "Turris Fortis Mihi Deus" which is my family (Kelly) coat of arms motto which means, God is my strong tower, which is probably from Psalm 61:3, "For You have been a refuge for me, A tower of strength against the enemy" (NASB).

Like I said, they're mainly a novelty. But do like the fact that I have permanent viable emblems of who I am. I've always tended to wear a cross, to remind myself of who I am when dealing with others in one way or another. To remember to project myself as an emissary of Jesus Christ.

I work in a truck marshaling yard and a few days ago we had a huge debacle with big rigs coming in from two separate directions because someone dropped the ball. I had truck drivers (cuss like sailors) who are angry and or confused. And while I don't ever use much profanity, there were several times when I started to open my mouth to say something derogatory about the situation, saw what I had emblazoned on my arms, and changed my wording to something more refined. Not why I got them, but interesting effect.

The dreadful deed: http://s1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff501/AceA1/

So, does  anyone have any opinions about Christians having tattoos one way or another?  :Evilgrin:

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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #1 on: October 08, 2012, 01:22:01 PM »
My opinion: you'll get many opinions and none of them matter.  :laugh:

Seriously though, what you do with your body is between you and Him. There are many who are just waiting to spring up and condemn people for anything and everything, tattoos being one of them. God loves you deeply, tattoos or none. Don't ever let anyone try and tell you otherwise.

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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2012, 01:53:41 PM »
My opinion: you'll get many opinions and none of them matter.  :laugh:

Seriously though, what you do with your body is between you and Him. There are many who are just waiting to spring up and condemn people for anything and everything, tattoos being one of them. God loves you deeply, tattoos or none. Don't ever let anyone try and tell you otherwise.

Peace.

Oh yeah, I'm just interested in viewpoints, not any kind of approval or whatever. I am disappointed that no one has said anything about them at all pro or con yet. Except for one brother who grabbed my arm the day after, pressing his thumb against my sore flaming dove and asking, "Is that new?!" - Yes it's new, ouch, and now I have to go disinfect it.

However, when it comes to a conservative straitlaced appearance (which in no way has ever described me) I have made an observation about that. I live in Las Vegas, Nevada aka Sin City. I do convention work, which means I'm  around all the casinos, bars and strip show clubs etc. And I'd say 90% of the men engaging in all that vice, have the same exact conservative respectable short hair, clean shaven, no tattoos, no piercings, casual business attire look one sees most everybody wearing in most churches...
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2012, 02:14:35 PM »
BTW, what does your double R and crown avatar symbolize exactly? I noticed White Wings is sporting one like it too. (Looks like it might make a good tattoo...)
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2012, 03:03:54 PM »
1 Sam 16:7 (CEB)

God doesn't look at things like humans do.  Humans see only what is visible to the eyes, but the Lord sees into the heart.


Ps 51:10

Create in me a clean heart, O God.  Renew a loyal spirit within me.

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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2012, 03:21:20 PM »
Amen goodreport, exactly!

And yeah Brian, that's probably exactly what Jesus meant when He said they clean the outside of the cup but leave the inside filthy.

My avatar is something that WhiteWings made for our friend who is starting a prison ministry. Her ministry is called Radical Reaction. The logos are in support of it.

 

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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2012, 03:50:53 PM »
I believe there is one verse in Leviticus about not marking our bodies like the pagens.  Of course I believe this is the same chapter that talks about how we should wear our hair and cook our meat.  God was carving out of a pagan world a distinct people, and those rules only applied to those peoples, in that particular generation.  So, imo tat it up if you so wish...I don't believe there any New Testament verses condemning it.

I was 35 years old when I got two tattoos and I remember why I got them.  I had always wanted one...and I was told it was sin if I did.  It was one of my first bold moves away from lawful living.  Enjoy em.   :thumbsup:

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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2012, 04:22:13 PM »
I offered 1 Sam 16:7 for encouragement for all of us (especially myself) to not be concerned about our tattoos (outward appearances) but our own hearts... so again

Create in ME a clean heart, O Lord...

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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2012, 04:37:30 PM »
Oh yeah, I'm just interested in viewpoints, not any kind of approval or whatever.
Is the law tattooed on your heart?
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2012, 04:49:38 PM »
I believe there is one verse in Leviticus about not marking our bodies like the pagens.
The main passage that is used by some Christians to forbid tattoos and body piercing is Leviticus 19:28: "Do not cut your bodies for the dead or put tattoo marks on yourselves. I am the Lord." Sounds like a clear prohibition, doesn't it, until you recognize this is part of the Mosaic Law that the believer is not under obligation to follow. Before one uses this passage to forbid tattoos, they should take a look at the previous command: "Do not cut the hair at the sides of your head or clip off the edges of your beard" (Lev 19:27). I haven't seen many Christians with uncut beards, have you?     

      The issue of tattoos and body piercing falls under the category of disputable matters mentioned in Romans chapter 14: "Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way" (v 13). Now simply because you feel like there is nothing wrong with tattoos is not a reason to put one on you. I do not personally feel anything is wrong with a Christ-centered tattoo, however, I know it might offend others for me to have one, so I refuse to even consider it (of course I hate needles too).

            Someone at this point might argue, "Well, I just think that God is absolutely against us putting tattoos on our body, because our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit." Well I understand your position, but remember, according to the Book of Revelation, God will put his name and number on our foreheads. So even He will put a mark on us.

            Marks on bodies have signified for centuries what kind of person an individual is. In the Book of Revelation there were some that had the  mark of the beast which signified the kind of people they were, so God counters and gives His mark to His servants to show the righteous character of His people. In the end, no doubt, a Christian should only have a Christ-centered tattoo if he is going to have one.

            If you are a teen still under your parent's authority, then you must abide by their rules against tattoos. It is more important to show obedience to parents then to get a tattoo, which shows rebellion. The same goes for members of churches where pastors set rules in this area. If the pastor does not allow tattoos or body piercing for members who are in places of authority, then one must abide by the pastor's rules. Don't try to justify the tattoo by pointing to this article, because I will not back you up. I believe obedience and submission is more important than getting tattoos and, thus, causing strife.

Finally, remember a tattoo is permanent, and do you really want something permanent on your body? It's like wanting a coat you see in the store, and buying it with the condition you have to wear it always. How much do you really like that coat? I offer this advice to people wanting tattoos; why not put a good, professional, temporary tattoo on your body instead of a permanent one? After it wears off, you can put a different one in its place. I am just offering practical advice, not rules.


(Acts 21:24) Having taken these, be purified with them. And pay expenses for them, so that they may shave the head. And all may know, that things of which they have been informed about thee, are nothing, but thou thyself also walk orderly, keep
(1Cor 11:5) But every woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for it is one and the same thing as the woman who has been shaven.



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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2012, 05:45:48 PM »
Oh yeah, I'm just interested in viewpoints, not any kind of approval or whatever.
Is the law tattooed on your heart?

WW, thank you again,  your questions always encourage me to search the Scriptures to see whether these things be so (Acts 17:11)  for starters I typed "law of" and found 100 verses... law of Moses, law of the Lord,  law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, law of liberty, etc. etc.  for now I will ponder Ps 37:31 The law of his God is in his heart; none of his steps shall slide.

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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2012, 06:44:53 PM »
I wished I could remember exactly where the verses are (Revelation?)
but it says our name is permanently written(tattooed) on the hand of God.
If you don't think all the names could fit, your God is too small!!
whitewings was also correct saying we would recieve the name of God on our foreheads
(though some argue this means our minds)
The only thing I have against tattoos is when a guy or girl gets tats on their face
and then wonder why they can't get a job with a corporation.
Some tat their whole face up and it's sad. IMO it does not look good.
Some girls get tats so they never have to put makeup on again (a stepsister of mine did this)but
regardless, there is no law except the law of love. - and tats have nothing to do with that good or bad.
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2012, 08:36:31 PM »
I wished I could remember exactly where the verses are (Revelation?)
but it says our name is permanently written(tattooed) on the hand of God.
I searched but can't find it. I found "written by His hand", "written in book on His right hand" and "written on/in stone

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If you don't think all the names could fit, your God is too small!!
whitewings was also correct saying we would recieve the name of God on our foreheads
(though some argue this means our minds)



(Rev 14:1) And I looked, and lo, the Lamb standing on the mount Zion, and with it a number, a hundred and forty-four thousand, having its name and the name of his Father, written on their foreheads.

Brow or forehead

Notice the references to forehead and right hand. Just like the mark of the beast which is also written on those places.


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The only thing I have against tattoos is when a guy or girl gets tats on their face
and then wonder why they can't get a job with a corporation.
At LA ink :Peace2:
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2012, 09:19:47 PM »
Isaiah 49:16 Amplified - "Behold, I have indelibly imprinted (tattooed a picture of) you on the palm of each of My hands; [O Zion] your walls are continually before Me."
Good news -"Jerusalem, I can never forget you! I have written your name on the palms of my hands."
Todays New International Version - "See, I have engraved you on the palms of my hands; your walls are ever before me."
New Living Translation - "See, I have written your name on the palms of my hands.Always in my mind is a picture of Jerusalem's walls in ruins."
New Life version - " See, I have marked your names on My hands. Your walls are always before Me."
New King James - "See, I have inscribed you on the palms of My hands;
Your walls are continually before Me.
The Message - "Look, I've written your names on the backs of my hands.
    The walls you're rebuilding are never out of my sight."
Common English Bible - "Look, on my palms I've inscribed you;
    your walls are before me continually."
Finally, both King James and American Standard say, " Behold, I have graven thee upon the palms of my hands; thy walls are continually before me."
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2012, 09:26:37 PM »
 Oh yes, the creator has a vision of His finished work/Creation of His hands.    Rev 21 and 22

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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #15 on: October 09, 2012, 07:48:19 AM »
I believe there is one verse in Leviticus about not marking our bodies like the pagens.  Of course I believe this is the same chapter that talks about how we should wear our hair and cook our meat.  God was carving out of a pagan world a distinct people, and those rules only applied to those peoples, in that particular generation.  So, imo tat it up if you so wish...I don't believe there any New Testament verses condemning it.

I was 35 years old when I got two tattoos and I remember why I got them.  I had always wanted one...and I was told it was sin if I did.  It was one of my first bold moves away from lawful living.  Enjoy em.   :thumbsup:

The law that always comes to my mind is, "Do not wear clothes of wool and linen woven together" Dt 22:11. How many of us know/remember that one, much less adhere to it? Some people might say that a tattoo is mutilating our temple. However, I find that the only thing that's called mutilation of the flesh in the NT is circumcision. And how many parents have had their babies circumcised (especially in the USA) over the last hundred years? 

I will say that for me personally, I'm choosy about what kind of images I display on t-shirts and especially a tattoo. While I have the freedom to get a tattoo of a skull with horns and a snake coming out of its eye socket, I don't think that's something that would be a particularly good choice of symbolism for me.  :laugh:
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #16 on: October 09, 2012, 07:52:38 AM »


All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify.
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #17 on: October 09, 2012, 08:06:56 AM »
I wished I could remember exactly where the verses are (Revelation?)
but it says our name is permanently written(tattooed) on the hand of God.

The artist who tattooed me, just happened to be a Christian. He pointed out the verse that could be interpreted that Jesus has a tattoo on his thigh; "...on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS." Rev 19:16. Of course there's so much symbolism in Revelation, I don't know if that could be interpreted as literal. I'm pretty sure for instance that Jesus isn't an actual lamb or that he has an actual sword that projects out of His mouth like a Pez dispenser.

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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #18 on: October 09, 2012, 08:08:45 AM »
 :banana:

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

I love Pez  :doh:
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #19 on: October 09, 2012, 08:11:35 AM »


All things are lawful, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful, but not all things edify.
(1Co 10:23)

Yes, Amen!
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« Reply #20 on: October 09, 2012, 08:18:10 AM »
thi (yarekh; Aramaic yarekhah (Dan 2:32); meros (Judith 9:2; Sirach 19:12; Rev 19:16); as part of a sacrificial animal (Ex 29:22, etc.) shoq, the King James Version, the Revised Version margin "shoulder"; in addition the King James Version has "thigh" for shoq in Isa 47:2 (the Revised Version (British and American) "leg")): The portion of the leg from the knee to the hip, against which a weapon hangs when suspended from the waist (Ex 32:27; Jdg 3:16,21; Ps 45:3, etc.). So the thigh of a rider on horseback would be covered by a loose girdle, on which his name might be embroidered (Rev 19:16). The "hollow of the thigh" (Gen 32:25 ff) is the hip-socket or the groin.
See also HIP.
The thighs were thought to play a part in procreation (Gen 46:26; Ex 1:5, English Versions of the Bible "loins"; Jdg 8:30, English Versions of the Bible "body"; compare Nu 5:21 ff), so that an oath taken with the hand under the thigh (Gen 24:2,9; 47:29) was taken by the life-power (the rabbis interpreted "by the seal of circumcision"). It is perhaps significant that this oath in both Gen 24 and 47 is said to have been exacted by persons in danger of death. Doubtless this association of the thigh with life (aided perhaps by its excellence as food (1 Sam 9:24; Ezek 24:4)) determined its choice as a sacrificial potion (Ex 29:22, etc.; on the "heave thigh" see SACRIFICE). Consequently, it is natural to find the thigh classed as forbidden ("sacred") food among certain peoples, and, probably, this sacred character of the part is the real basis of Gen 32:32: "The children of Israel eat not the sinew of the hip which is upon the hollow of the thigh, unto this day." The origin of the prohibition, however, was unknown to the writer of the verse, and he sought an explanation from a story in which special attention was called to the thigh. Nothing else is heard about this precept in the Old Testament, but it receives elaborate attention in the Mishna (Chullin vii), where, for instance, all food cooked with meat containing the sinew (nervus ischiadicus) is rendered unclean if the sinew imparts a flavor to it, but not otherwise. (For further details see the comms., especially Skinner. (ICC) and RS2, 380.) One of the proofs of guilt in the jealousy trial (Nu 5:27) was the falling-away of the "thigh" (a euphemism; see JEALOUSY). To smite upon the thigh was a token of contrition (Jer 31:19) or of terror (Ezr 21:12).
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Re: Tattoos
« Reply #21 on: October 09, 2012, 08:36:56 PM »
 issuance of life[like life-giving spirit] is symbolized of the thighs of both men and women...

   out of your belly will flow streams of life...whereas we know...the woman was clothed in the sun

  and pregnant.  thighs as ornaments in songs speaks of bearing children...for you will wear/put them on

  as a bride wears ornaments....Her children of the light/life-giving spirit..adorn her..Jerusalem above.

      the only daughter of her mother[Jerusalem Above] is the new Jerusalem[daughter]..and the

   manifested sons of God marry her as a man marries a maid...ever notice how women attended Jesus and

  His disciples and ministered to them out of their supplies?   Now it is spiritual food that any [rich] daughters

 may supply/oil/wine/barley wheat.   Blessings of the breast and womb..is the abilty to bring forth life and nurture

  and sustain...womb of the dawn is being born again from above..the blessing of the deep[in the depths

  of the earth thou formed me/root/offspring of Jesse/branch...I am wonderfully made'thou didst prepare



  for me a body"...the place prepared of God the woman flees to.....the camp of the Holy city in the earth.

   who is this..that appears like the dawn fair as the moon,bright as the sun,majestic as the stars

  in procession[Rev 12]

   Love a perfect bond of Union..love for God/Christ and fellow man....

   sorry, got off track...there seems to be no stopping it :













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« Reply #22 on: October 10, 2012, 05:15:23 AM »
issuance of life[like life-giving spirit] is symbolized of the thighs of both men and women...

   out of your belly will flow streams of life...whereas we know...the woman was clothed in the sun

  and pregnant.  thighs as ornaments in songs speaks of bearing children...for you will wear/put them on

  as a bride wears ornaments....Her children of the light/life-giving spirit..adorn her..Jerusalem above.

      the only daughter of her mother[Jerusalem Above] is the new Jerusalem[daughter]..and the

   manifested sons of God marry her as a man marries a maid...ever notice how women attended Jesus and

  His disciples and ministered to them out of their supplies?   Now it is spiritual food that any [rich] daughters

 may supply/oil/wine/barley wheat.   Blessings of the breast and womb..is the abilty to bring forth life and nurture

  and sustain...womb of the dawn is being born again from above..the blessing of the deep[in the depths

  of the earth thou formed me/root/offspring of Jesse/branch...I am wonderfully made'thou didst prepare



  for me a body"...the place prepared of God the woman flees to.....the camp of the Holy city in the earth.

   who is this..that appears like the dawn fair as the moon,bright as the sun,majestic as the stars

  in procession[Rev 12]

   Love a perfect bond of Union..love for God/Christ and fellow man....

   sorry, got off track...there seems to be no stopping it :

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If thou know not, O thou fairest among women, go thy way forth by the footsteps of the flock, and feed thy kids beside the shepherds' tents.
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« Reply #23 on: October 10, 2012, 06:00:54 AM »
Amen

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« Reply #24 on: October 10, 2012, 08:01:14 AM »
 
No regret (permanently spelled wrong)  :punish:

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