willieH: Hi Tank...
It is quite interesting that the "EYES and MOUTH" are set in FRONT of the face, quick to "SEE" and "SPEAK" in a 180 degree spectrum...
While the EARS are set at the SIDE of the face, and encompass within their HEARING -- 360 degrees
As MANY mouths and eyes busily blab of their supposed knowledge to the world, that GOD so LOVES, ...the MANY preach of FEAR and DESTRUCTION, and sorrowfully as their mouths and eyes take precedence, fail to HEAR the ONE that SURROUNDS them.
Good hearing and vision is neccessary to know the whole plan of God. What you fail to comprehend is that God disciplines his creation. At the time of the end men will be destroying the earth according to scripture as they do today.
"REVENGE" is a spirit, within your spirit, that does NOT promote PEACE, ...so, IN that spirit, ...you attempt to bring the GOD of PEACE -- Rom 15:33 -- Phil 4:9 -- Heb 13:20 -- 1 Cor 14:33 -- down to your "REVENGEFUL" level... preaching THAT hypocrisy in doing so, ...while belittling Him and HIS PEACE, in the process...
Revenge is a spirit huh? So you do believe that demons/unclean spirits exist afterall.
I suppose you don't know what revenge is, being that you believe you are arived at perfection. How blind are those who believe they have arrived, not perceiving that they have fallen into pride of life, seeing themselves as better than others and having to belittle others to make themsleves look better. This is a sad strategy of many in todays world, why do we have to belittle others to make ourselves look good, entire newspapers are dedicated towards pointing out the faults in celebrities etc, so that people can feel good about themselves. Next time try uplifting people instead of tearing them down and you might be blessed, for by tearing others down you are tearing yourself down into destruction.
1 Thessalonians 4:6
That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.
FIRST --- Where in the Book of Revelation is noted "REVENGE", Tank?
"REVENGE" is something that lives in YOU, not in God. He has no REASON to seek REVENGE, for He DECLARED ALL THINGS before they occured -- Isaiah 46:10 -- and those events have taken place as HE NOTED they would.
Well now you are provoking me to show you scriptures of wrath. You are already sweating after me posting a small post on judgement, can you handle even one scripture?
Psalm 99:8
Thou answeredst them, O Lord our God: thou wast a God that forgavest them, though thou tookest vengeance of their inventions
Isaiah 35:4
Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you.
God will save his people from vengeance but only if they follow him. The hypocrites and those who are christian in name only will be left with the wicked to experience judgement.
Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
2 Thessalonians 1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Nahum 1:2
God is jealous, and the Lord revengeth; the Lord revengeth, and is furious; the Lord will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.
To show you that man has vengeance
Proverbs 6:34
For jealousy is the rage of a man: therefore he will not spare in the day of vengeance.
These scriptures are only a few that speak of vengeance. You asked for them so you got them.
Luke 21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. 21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. 22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
All things fullfilled, sounds like its talking about the end, not something that happened in 70AD
FIRST --- It is YOU which IGNORE Scripture Tank... for the very words of CHRIST say that the JUDGMENT of THIS WORLD is NOW -- John 12:31
There are many contradictory statements in the bible. Unless you compliment the scriptures with each other you will only have half the picture. It seems to be you are only interested in half the bible and throw out the other half to suit your fancy.
SECOND --- an unfocused vision remains upon the NATURAL, and so understanding shall continue to elude you. You (and all other men) "destroy" the "earth" as you SIN in IT... therefore the JUDGMENT of YHVH and the accompanying wrath of it, comes against you (and all other men) -- Rom 1:18 -- The WRATH of YHVH ...IS... (not will be) revealed against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men [sin] who hold the truth (which IS the WORD of YHVH -- John 14:6), ...in unrighteousness...
Which is why MANY that claim to represent Him, ...shall mourn amidst their false presentation of Him -- Matt 7:22-23
Your a funny guy. You often do this and trip yourself over with your own arguments.
you say
willie H "THERE IS NO Vengeance ThinkTANK"
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Willie"Thinktank there is wrath on SInners like you thinktank.
willie"hmm that's a bit too obvious, so I'll add other men in brackets."
Funny how you insist that wrath is not for the world, but yet insist, that wrath falls upon me. It appears you have much hatred for anyone or anything that resembles a pentecoastalist or orthodox teachings. This hatred is eating you up and I urge you to repent and ask the lord to heal you of any scars that you might have received in your church upbringing. Dishing out your hatred/anger on the body of Christ who have a different opinion to your own is not helping anyone. I personally hate the fact that God will destroy a large part of humanity and plead with him to do it some other way, so I know where you are coming from, but ones feelings do not change the authority of the scriptures. Feelings are also fickle, I would not be suprised if I see you in heaven rejoicing when mystery babylon is avenged.
THIRD --- you continue to present the GOD of PEACE as a deciever... instructing His followers to do one thing (bless, love and pray for enemies), and that in following this instruction emulates Him -- Matt 5:48 -- and then (according to YOU), He TURNS AROUND and sets "enemies" of His, ablaze with harsh judgment...
There is no other explanation for the vengeance scriptures. Nothing else fits, except judgment of earthly fire upon ungodly men. Is God the same yesterday today and forever?
Did God punish the enemies of Israel, Sodom etc in the old testament for nothing? Was he an evil God in the old testament but now is a good God?
Why do you suppose God sends judgment upon the entire earth? Is it not to purify the world of ungodly men who use their authority to do great evil. Are you angry at God because in his mercy wants his people to live in a world of peace? Would you rather the wicked of this world continue in power for eternity?
2 Peter 3
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
Does God avenge his saints? You bet he does
Luke 18
7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them? 8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
Revelation 18:20
Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.
The following scripture will give you something to ponder on
WillieH : The scriptures say forgive our enemies thinktank.
Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves,
Thinktank: Yes they do, but they also speak of wrath
Romans 12:19
but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
Romans 12:19
Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
