Author Topic: Saved  (Read 8889 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline jabcat

  • Admin
  • *
  • Posts: 9107
  • SINNER SAVED BY GRACE
Re: Saved
« Reply #50 on: August 27, 2011, 04:54:48 AM »
**Important scrip for context;  But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


This from www.centralcal.com explains the James/Paul thing in greater detail, with scriptural comparisons;
            this is from last post




I personally believe that your whole system of belief would change if you read the works of Adlai Loudy

How to Scripturally Study the Scriptures
and Gospel of our Salvation


These were the best best books I ever read.    Concordant Publishing Concern  - Concordant Literal Bible

Not sure if the "you" is me, but since it's my quote I'll respond. 

I of course believe parts of what he teaches, other parts I don't agree with, as I believe he "stretches" away from some truths of the scriptures.   I don't believe in "Inclusion".  Although it's only by God's grace and empowerment, I believe in believing unto salvation.  Loudy liked to reference the Apostle Paul.  Paul said in Acts 16:31 "believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved".
« Last Edit: August 27, 2011, 05:08:51 AM by jabcat »

HartleyIrvinDamboiseII

  • Guest
Re: Saved
« Reply #51 on: August 27, 2011, 05:30:23 AM »
**Important scrip for context;  But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


This from www.centralcal.com explains the James/Paul thing in greater detail, with scriptural comparisons;
            this is from last post




I personally believe that your whole system of belief would change if you read the works of Adlai Loudy

How to Scripturally Study the Scriptures
and Gospel of our Salvation


These were the best best books I ever read.    Concordant Publishing Concern  - Concordant Literal Bible

Not sure if the "you" is me, but since it's my quote I'll respond. 

I of course believe parts of what he teaches, other parts I don't agree with, as I believe he "stretches" away from some truths of the scriptures.   I don't believe in "Inclusion".  Although it's only by God's grace and empowerment, I believe in believing unto salvation.  Loudy liked to reference the Apostle Paul.  Paul said in Acts 16:31 "believe on the Lord Jesus and you will be saved".



thank you for being Kind with your words and I too don't believe all Loudy Teaches       ,    Note, Paul's Acts 16:31 was part of his last plea to the Jews to be saved through the Promise Promised to them, His chosen people .   It all ended at Acts 28:28  then the door was locked and he started teaching grace only.

Salvation is for Jews and Jews only. All other people are "saved" if you will . because God saves through the one just act of His Son, done and over. Hitler ( if he is not a Jew) ha ha , and all the other hated people in history are saved ( or made right with God) Justified= ( Just as if they never sinned )and will be apart of God's dwelling place when God sees fit. I personally don't care at what age: eon it comes in. We will all be there.....

Hope I don't offend no one.   It is IMO

Offline jabcat

  • Admin
  • *
  • Posts: 9107
  • SINNER SAVED BY GRACE
Re: Saved
« Reply #52 on: August 27, 2011, 05:45:43 AM »
Although I don't see it quite that way, I know you do, and as you, appreciate how you said it.   :bigGrin:

Offline jabcat

  • Admin
  • *
  • Posts: 9107
  • SINNER SAVED BY GRACE
Re: Saved
« Reply #53 on: August 27, 2011, 06:04:57 AM »
I think it can be real subtle, hairs can be split, and we can almost just look for how we think it is or want it to be.  I know some teach the faith OF Jesus, as if it's all (for lack of a better term) "one-sided".  That Jesus died, rose again, that's it.

But if looked at again carefully, I believe we do see several things.  Yes, there a faith OF Jesus.  In fact, I personally maintain ALL faith is of God.  We don't have any, or can conjure up any on our own.  It must be given us, even to be able to believe with in the first place.  But again, looking real closely, there's this;

Romans 3:22-26 "Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of  [there's the OF] Jesus Christ<  [but here's the other part]    unto all and upon all them that believe:<    then again, all the next part is solely about JESUS;  for there is no difference: For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation (appeasing sacrifice) through faith in his blood [actually I missed that,  FAITH IN to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him [all great, but now this again] which believeth in Jesus."   

 Did we do it?  No, Jesus did.  Can we believe it unless we're drawn and enabled?  No, no one can come unless drawn, and "everyone is given a measure of faith", and all will be empowered to exercise it, "each in his own order".

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works lest any man should boast."

There can be no legitimate boasting, except in the cross of Christ and God's glory. We cannot be saved by our own righteousness, but only by God's grace, through faith - that He gives!  :) 

Ephesians 1:13-14 "In whom [not 'what'] ye also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

We can't boast, it's all about Him.  Still, something happens! that's, IMO, more than just hearing about WHAT He did.  When it's our turn, and we're convicted/drawn, we will be given the faith TO BELIEVE IN Him, not just ABOUT Him.  The devils believe and tremble.  They know exactly what He did, they just don't KNOW Him relationally, as in spiritually reborn from above.  They are His enemy.  Those who are born from above are now called His friends.

« Last Edit: August 27, 2011, 07:38:19 AM by jabcat »

Offline Molly

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 11313
Re: Saved
« Reply #54 on: August 27, 2011, 07:39:57 AM »
Quote from: HD
The Scriptures also use the words religion ( Acts 25:19)  and religious  ( Acts 17:22).  They are derived from the Greek deisidaimoni , which literally means DREAD-DEMONISM , and denotes the superstitious veneration and worship of demons through dread and fear

That's an eye opener.  Thanks.  I knew this but had forgotten it.

Now I'm wondering, were these religions designed to lead people astray or did it just work out that way?

Offline eaglesway

  • < Moderator >
  • *
  • Posts: 4616
  • Gender: Male
  • Grace & Peace be multiplied unto you, in Jesus
    • Hell is a Myth.com
Re: Saved
« Reply #55 on: August 27, 2011, 08:02:01 AM »
Thats the message of genesis i think..... "did God say....?
The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood. hellisamyth.webs.com

Offline Beloved Servant

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 4290
  • David's sling
Re: Saved
« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2011, 02:36:54 PM »



...collective thoughts in the invisible realm.

HartleyIrvinDamboiseII

  • Guest
Re: Saved
« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2011, 03:32:19 PM »
Molly

the above quote of mine from HtSSS is cut and paste form and there is errors in it. It was written may decades ago. I wont call it a lie but, when you look up the exact words there refer to words that need more deeeeeep study. cause you have to follow the root words to come up with dread demonism, So you may want to do a little work of your own be fore quoting it.

Offline eaglesway

  • < Moderator >
  • *
  • Posts: 4616
  • Gender: Male
  • Grace & Peace be multiplied unto you, in Jesus
    • Hell is a Myth.com
Re: Saved
« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2011, 05:05:05 PM »
Did we do it?  No, Jesus did.  Can we believe it unless we're drawn and enabled?  No, no one can come unless drawn, and "everyone is given a measure of faith", and all will be empowered to exercise it, "each in his own order".

Ephesians 2:8-9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works lest any man should boast."

There can be no legitimate boasting, except in the cross of Christ and God's glory. We cannot be saved by our own righteousness, but only by God's grace, through faith - that He gives!  :) 

Ephesians 1:13-14 "In whom [not 'what'] ye also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

We can't boast, it's all about Him.  Still, something happens! that's, IMO, more than just hearing about WHAT He did.  When it's our turn, and we're convicted/drawn, we will be given the faith TO BELIEVE IN Him, not just ABOUT Him.  The devils believe and tremble.  They know exactly what He did, they just don't KNOW Him relationally, as in spiritually reborn from above.  They are His enemy.  Those who are born from above are now called His friends.

IMO, Most Excellent!
The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood. hellisamyth.webs.com

Offline sheila

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 3829
Re: Saved
« Reply #59 on: August 27, 2011, 07:29:27 PM »
 :thumbsup:

Offline jabcat

  • Admin
  • *
  • Posts: 9107
  • SINNER SAVED BY GRACE
Re: Saved
« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2011, 08:49:15 PM »
Good, I was worried.   :laughing7:

Offline micah7:9

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 6074
  • Gender: Male
  • Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine ene
Re: Saved
« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2011, 01:26:17 AM »
Quote from: HD
The Scriptures also use the words religion ( Acts 25:19)  and religious  ( Acts 17:22).  They are derived from the Greek deisidaimoni , which literally means DREAD-DEMONISM , and denotes the superstitious veneration and worship of demons through dread and fear

That's an eye opener.  Thanks.  I knew this but had forgotten it.

Now I'm wondering, were these religions designed to lead people astray or did it just work out that way?

This pretty much gives you from where the religion came to be. There's more I'm sure.
Lev 18:3 According to the deeds of the land of Egypt in which you dwelt, you shall not behave. And according to the deeds of the land of Canaan where I am bringing you, you shall not behave; and by their statutes you shall not walk.
(But they did anyway.)
Deu 18:9 When you come to the land that Yahweh your Elohim is giving to you, you shall not learn to act according to the abhorrences of those nations.
Deu 18:10 There shall not be found among you one causing his son or his daughter to pass through fire, or one divining divinations, or consulting clouds, auguring or enchantin.
Deu 18:11 or charming with charms, one asking of a medium or wizard or inquiring after the dead.
(But they did anyway.)
Jer 10:1 Hear you the word, O house of Israel, That Yahweh has spoken for you."
Jer 10:2 Thus said Yahweh:Unto the way of the nations accustom not yourselves, And by the signs of the heavens be not affrighted, For the nations are affrighted by them."
(But they did anyway.)
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

Offline micah7:9

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 6074
  • Gender: Male
  • Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine ene
Re: Saved
« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2011, 02:23:28 AM »
Psa_119:160  The sum of Thy word is truth, And to the age is every judgment of Thy righteousness!
That Psalm 119:150 tells me the SUM [that's all] of God's word is truth.

"Technically, the process of being drawn, being given faith to believe, and believing/calling on Jesus for salvation (being spiritually reborn from above) could take a few seconds.  It seems Saul's conversion was so.  On the other hand, for instance, I was probably drawn and convicted numerous times and resisted over a period of months before the Lord "won".  :)  But that "moment" of salvation was seconds or minutes." Jabcat

"(being spiritually reborn from above) " This is what beign saved is? Being "born anew" by the Spirit is being "saved?"
"But that "moment" of salvation was seconds or minutes."

Okay why then did Paul teach us this:
Php 3:11  If by any means I may advance to the earlier resurrection, which is from among the dead:
Php 3:12 Not that I have, already, received, or have, already, reached perfection, but I am pressing on—if I may even lay hold of that for which I have also been laid hold of by Christ Jesus:—
Php 3:13  Brethren! I, as to myself, reckon that I have, not yet, laid hold; one thing, however,—the things behind, forgetting, and, unto the things before, eagerly reaching out,
Php 3:14  With the goal in view, I press on for the prize of the upward calling of God in Christ Jesus.

It does not read to me, that he [was saved] but more like Paul was in the process of being saved, IF he keeps going until the End, Omega, the Z.
We have been given the "earnest"(pledge) of the Spirit 2Co 1:22  who also sealed us, and gave the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

"You're right.  Mankind is not saved yet.  Only the elect are.
 "...the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption".
The rest of mankind comes later.(Jabcat)

Seems to me this reads like there is a lot we have to do and not do to get to verse 30 and would [this be an example of works?]
Eph 4:26  be angry and do not sin; let not the sun go down upon your wrath,
Eph 4:27  neither give place to the devil;


Eph 4:22  ye are to put off concerning the former behaviour the old man, that is corrupt according to the desires of the deceit,
Eph 4:23  and to be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
Eph 4:24  and to put on the new man, which, according to God, was created in righteousness and kindness of the truth.
Eph 4:25  Wherefore, putting away the lying, speak truth each with his neighbour, because we are members one of another;
Eph 4:26  be angry and do not sin; let not the sun go down upon your wrath,
Eph 4:27  neither give place to the devil;
Eph 4:28  whoso is stealing let him no more steal, but rather let him labour, working the thing that is good with the hands, that he may have to impart to him having need.
Eph 4:29  Let no corrupt word out of your mouth go forth, but what is good unto the needful building up, that it may give grace to the hearers;
Eph 4:30  and make not sorrowful the Holy Spirit of God, in which ye were sealed to a day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil-speaking, be put away from you, with all malice,
Eph 4:32 and become one to another kind, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, according as also God in Christ did forgive you.

"Mankind is not saved yet.  Only the elect are."
I dont believe "only the elect are "saved," at least not yet. As far as I understand it, MANY are CALLED[elecsia] FEW are CHOSEN.
These "chosen" I reason are or will be the" elect," but they are not SAVED (past tense), they WILL BE saved should they be in the first resurrection.


Php 3:11  If by any means I may advance to the earlier resurrection, which is from among the dead:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

Offline eaglesway

  • < Moderator >
  • *
  • Posts: 4616
  • Gender: Male
  • Grace & Peace be multiplied unto you, in Jesus
    • Hell is a Myth.com
Re: Saved
« Reply #63 on: August 29, 2011, 03:46:34 AM »
We were saved when the incorruptible seed was planted in our heart, we are being saved through progressive sanctification, we will be saved at the resurrection, (the first resurrection, if we are overcomers) :2c:
The Logos is complete, but it is not completely understood. hellisamyth.webs.com

Offline jabcat

  • Admin
  • *
  • Posts: 9107
  • SINNER SAVED BY GRACE
Re: Saved
« Reply #64 on: August 29, 2011, 04:21:45 AM »
micah, I believe most if not all of what Jesus said was primarily to the Jews prior to the cross and their judgment of 70 AD, not primarily to us, the nations.  Many of the principles apply spiritually, but (I can't always do it) I believe we have to rightly divide those things, looking at the context, who was primarily being addressed and about what.   IMO, if we don't, it will only bring confusion.   Looking at "many called, few chosen" in its context can bring a much different meaning.

Paul said to us, the nations, the gentiles, to whom the gospel came after the Jews lost their place of privilege in judgment, that we are saved by grace NOT works.

We could probably discuss this til the cows come home, but until we look at who was being primarily addressed and about what, then we're going to have 2 different denominations .   :laughing7:.

I can't always rightly divide it, I mix it up sometimes, but I'm trying to learn.

Blessings brother.
« Last Edit: August 29, 2011, 05:59:49 AM by jabcat »

Offline jabcat

  • Admin
  • *
  • Posts: 9107
  • SINNER SAVED BY GRACE
Re: Saved
« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2011, 04:23:22 AM »
We were saved when the incorruptible seed was planted in our heart, we are being saved through progressive sanctification, we will be saved at the resurrection, (the first resurrection, if we are overcomers) :2c:

AMEN!

Offline micah7:9

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 6074
  • Gender: Male
  • Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine ene
Re: Saved
« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2011, 04:26:12 AM »
We were saved when the incorruptible seed was planted in our heart, we are being saved through progressive sanctification, we will be saved at the resurrection, (the first resurrection, if we are overcomers) :2c:

"We were saved when the incorruptible seed was planted in our heart,.."

Should this be true, then why the need for the later part of what you said? I mean "We "were saved" why would we have to go through a process?

And again "we were saved" whats getting saved at the first resurrection?

2Co 1:22  who also sealed us, and gave the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Eph 4:30  and make not sorrowful the Holy Spirit of God, in which ye were sealed to a day of redemption.

Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

Offline sheila

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 3829
Re: Saved
« Reply #67 on: August 29, 2011, 04:34:00 AM »
Blessed are the dead,who die in the Lord from now on

   Yes,says the Spirit,they will rest from their labour,for their deeds will follow them

    Jeremiah 32;10   buy my feild at Ananthoth.....'I SIGNED AND SEALED THE DEED,HAD IT WITTNESSED..AND WEIGHED OUT THE SILVER

  ON THE SCALES....I TOOK THE DEED OF PURCHASE....THE SEALED COPY.......CONTAINING THE TREMS AND CONDITIONS.........,

  AS WELL AS THE UNSEALED COPY...........THIS IS WHAT THE LORD ALMIGHTY,THE GOD OF ISRAEL SAYS;

    TAKE THESE DOCUMENTS BOTH THE SEALED AND THE UNSEALED COPIES OF THE DEED OF PURCHASE;

  AND PUT THEM IN A CLAY JAR SO THEY WILL LAST A LONG TIME. FOR THIS IS WHAT THE LORD ALMIGHTY,THE GOD OF ISRAEL SAYS

  HOUSES FIELDS AND VINEYARDS WILL AGAIN BE BOUGHT IN THIS LAND.....

   v 44  Fields will be bought for silver[30 pieces?] and deeds will be signed sealed and wittnessed.........

Offline micah7:9

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 6074
  • Gender: Male
  • Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine ene
Re: Saved
« Reply #68 on: August 29, 2011, 04:41:56 AM »
Heb 11:13 In faith died all these, not having received the promises, but from afar having seen them, and having been persuaded, and having saluted them , and having confessed that strangers and sojourners they are upon the earth,
Heb 11:14  for those saying such things make manifest that they seek a country;
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

Offline sheila

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 3829
Re: Saved
« Reply #69 on: August 29, 2011, 04:42:44 AM »
 Micah, when Israel come into the promised land it was battle by battle...so too, us coming into our spiritual inheritance. :HeartThrob:

Offline micah7:9

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 6074
  • Gender: Male
  • Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine ene
Re: Saved
« Reply #70 on: August 29, 2011, 05:04:02 AM »
Micah, when Israel come into the promised land it was battle by battle...so too, us coming into our spiritual inheritance. :HeartThrob:

AMEN! :HeartThrob: :dsunny:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

Offline jabcat

  • Admin
  • *
  • Posts: 9107
  • SINNER SAVED BY GRACE
Re: Saved
« Reply #71 on: August 29, 2011, 08:47:07 AM »
We were saved when the incorruptible seed was planted in our heart, we are being saved through progressive sanctification, we will be saved at the resurrection, (the first resurrection, if we are overcomers) :2c:

I "amen'd" this.  Since then I've been doing some further study tonight.  I've come up with some pretty exciting things, that go right along with this quite well.  The information I eventually post will be quite long, but here's a quick "hint";

it has to do with the initial salvation of the spirit, what you describe as "the incorruptible seed planted in our heart" John, and what I've been stressing as the ecclesia being saved now, the elect, which cannot be lost.  When made part of the family, sealed with the Holy Spirit, he/she cannot ever become NOT part of the family.

Another piece of it though, is that the soul is in the process of being saved through this life - through sanctification, learning through our trials and tribulations, yielding to Him and His will (yes, works!) - yet those works must still be His works through us, empowering us, or else it's filthy rags!  But if we're rebellious, resist, demand to go our own way, refuse His ongoing Lordship, then the soul can be lost.  But it's NOT THE SAME as the spirit becoming lost, that again, was saved forever when His incorruptible seed was placed in us.  It has to do with rewards, position of service, ruling and reigning with Christ, and retaining the parts of us that overcame, that survived the fire of testing.  It has to do with Paul saying he delivered the one over to satan, so his works would be burned but his spirit would be saved.

Then the final piece is the saving of the body at resurrection - obviously, future tense.  To be obtained when we're given immortality, when corruption takes on incorruption. 

So as you said John, the elect are saved now (our spirit) by believing on Jesus as Savior.  That's it.  That's done, not to be reversed.  But we're BEING saved (soul) through obedience, maturity, growth, overcoming - earning a position of closeness to the throne, to rule and reign WITH Christ.  Not just "out of punishment" [that's the spirit saved] but actually in His presence, being fellow workers, joint heirs, ruling and reigning from the throne with Jesus.  Then finally, our body WILL BE saved, when we're given immortality, the other side of the grade.

3 stages.  Stage 1 (spirit) at time of belief and forever sealed for the believer, called out by the Holy Spirit, non-revocable, the elect predestined before time;  stage 2 (soul) now and ongoing, but may not happen for many believers who just choose to "slip in", "riding on grace's coat-tails", who resist His leading, and who do not follow the path of sanctification and being purified in this life;  and stage 3, future, (body) when we become immortal. 

I still have questions about this, but what I've found may clear up some things for me.  We'll see.  I'll post the background info for this, and it may be good for further discussion, self-reflection, and further seeking of God's way.

Blessings, James.

P.S.  John, I just realized.  The Hebrews 10 verse you quoted earlier that I sort of "stumbled over" says, "THE PRESERVATION OF THE SOUL FROM DESTRUCTION!"  I really wondered about the 'soul' part of it, but couldn't quite get my head around it.  Wow.  You think there's something here John?   It really is much of what we've both been saying, but sort of puts it in neater, more understandable "packages".  Rightly dividing the Word of truth?  What do you think?
« Last Edit: August 29, 2011, 08:54:16 AM by jabcat »

Offline jabcat

  • Admin
  • *
  • Posts: 9107
  • SINNER SAVED BY GRACE
Re: Saved
« Reply #72 on: August 29, 2011, 08:58:23 AM »
I've seen Cardinal mention this 3 stage process before (spirit, soul, body salvation) and I believe Thomas J. Kissinger writes about it.  But it had never come so close to really crystalizing for me like it seems to be.  It may also answer a pretty specific question for me that I may share about later. 

Offline WhiteWings

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 13126
  • Gender: Male
  • Yahshua heals
    • My sites
Re: Saved
« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2011, 09:05:59 AM »
micah, I believe most if not all of what Jesus said was primarily to the Jews prior to the cross and their judgment of 70 AD, not primarily to us, the nations. 
That's a bit odd because:
A] Jews don't read the NT.
B] Most of the NT was written after 70AD meaning the teachings reached the Jews to late. Not to mention that writing something is the same a spreading it large scale.
C] 70AD has past long ago. For both Jew and Gentile. Does that mean a large part of the NT has become useless? Do we need a mini NT?


James I'm well aware you aren't promoting cutting out half of the pages of the NT; but in a way you are...
Many want to dump the whole OT so don't feel bad  :laughing7:
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Offline WhiteWings

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 13126
  • Gender: Male
  • Yahshua heals
    • My sites
Re: Saved
« Reply #74 on: August 29, 2011, 09:12:03 AM »
Then the final piece is the saving of the body at resurrection - obviously, future tense.  To be obtained when we're given immortality, when corruption takes on incorruption. 
Which verse?
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...