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Re: Saved
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2011, 05:27:09 AM »



Jesus said, "I am with you for only a short time, and then I go to the One who sent me."

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Re: Saved
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2011, 05:33:30 AM »
Moved
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Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Saved
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2011, 05:38:35 AM »


Your post has two separate and distinct questions.

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Re: Saved
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2011, 05:42:11 AM »

One humble request is answered:

42 Then he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."

43 Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."

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Re: Saved
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2011, 05:43:00 AM »


It doesn't appear to take long at all.

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Re: Saved
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2011, 06:07:26 AM »
IMO The instant faith is kindled in the heart, salvation, which is deliverance from spiritual death, occurs(zoe life is kindled in the spirit). Yet, I believe only God knows the secrets of the heart, and some who think they are 'saved', aren't, and some who might not know they are, 'are'. Paul wrote to Timothy, the seal of God is this, the Lord knows those that are His and let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity. But who was walking in iniquity? The Samaritan man whose religion was despised by the Jews, yet he stopped and helped the wounded man by the road?- Or the Pharisee and the Levite, who were "clothed in the Word" but had no time for the man? Jesus told that parable in order to teach us not to look on the outward appearance, but to judge righteous judgment. As John put it, "He that loves knows God and is known by God. He that does not loves walks in darkness still." Tat's why we ought not go on judging before the time. Since the word "saved" (sozo Grk) means healed, delivered, made whole..... I think our religious presumptions have informed our concepts, just like with ET and many other things- we may need to look again at what it really means to be "saved".
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Re: Saved
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2011, 06:38:09 AM »
Yup!
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Saved
« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2011, 04:33:45 PM »
I think it goes even further than that!  Not only redefine what "saved" is, but also what "love" is.  Redefining love forces me to redefine what "faith" is . .. which redefines saved, forgiveness, repentance, It's a domino affect that leads to an entire paradigm shift . .. are we ready for "that" kind of changing???

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Re: Saved
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2011, 07:02:39 PM »
I think it goes even further than that!  Not only redefine what "saved" is, but also what "love" is.  Redefining love forces me to redefine what "faith" is . .. which redefines saved, forgiveness, repentance, It's a domino affect that leads to an entire paradigm shift . .. are we ready for "that" kind of changing???


Amen!
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Re: Saved
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2011, 10:58:20 PM »
He saved me again.

He saved me from wind
He saved me from rain
He saved me from the hurricane!
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Re: Saved
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2011, 11:49:55 PM »
Moved here.
Okay, staying with the post topic, How long does it take to get saved, and I don't mean head saved or however.

For instance this guy has been going to church and he believes, should he walk out the door of his Sunday morning church
and die right there on the threshold, what would happen to him... was he saved? where did he go? Heaven?

I would offer that he was not saved.

was he saved?  No. Mat 10:22 And you shall be hated by all because of My name. Yet he who endures to the consummation, he shall be saved." Mat 24:13 Yet he who endures to the consummation, he shall be saved."

where did he go?  The grave, dust. Gen 3:19  by the sweat of thy face thou dost eat bread till thy return unto the ground, for out of it hast thou been taken, for dust thou art , and unto dust thou turnest back.'  Ecc 12:7  And the dust returneth to the earth as it was, And the spirit returneth to God who gave it.


Did he go to heaven? No.  Act 2:34 For David did not ascend into the heavens, yet he is saying, 'Said the Lord to my Lord, "Sit at My right"
Act 2:35 Till I should be placing Thine enemies for a footstool for Thy feet."'"
Joh 3:13  and no one hath gone up to the heaven, except he who out of the heaven came down--the Son of Man who is in the heaven.

We are not saved, healed, made whole, preserved Until..... we are being saved, and should we endure to the end, then we will be saved..
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Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Saved
« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2011, 11:57:17 PM »
Micah, you need to stop hanging out with Solomon.

That is a secular book.  All is vanity, there's nothing new under the sun--without God.

With God, it's a different story.

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Re: Saved
« Reply #37 on: August 27, 2011, 12:07:27 AM »
Moved here.
Okay, staying with the post topic, How long does it take to get saved, and I don't mean head saved or however.

For instance this guy has been going to church and he believes, should he walk out the door of his Sunday morning church
and die right there on the threshold, what would happen to him... was he saved? where did he go? Heaven?

I would offer that he was not saved.

was he saved?  No. Mat 10:22 And you shall be hated by all because of My name. Yet he who endures to the consummation, he shall be saved." Mat 24:13 Yet he who endures to the consummation, he shall be saved."

We are not saved, healed, made whole, preserved Until..... we are being saved, and should we endure to the end, then we will be saved..
 :HeartThrob:

I see it very differently than that.

We're told how we're spiritually reborn from above/saved (quoted in my first post in this thread).  It's not by "enduring to the end", at least under our effort.  That would be works based, which salvation is not.  It's by being called by the Holy Spirit, and being given faith to believe on Jesus as Savior. 

Two things to look at about "enduring to the end".  Who was Jesus talking to, and about what?  I'd suggest He was either talking about to the end [consummation] of that age (which ended at the cross, and completely obliterated at 70 AD), and/or

when one does "endure to the end" in this age (grace) it's not because they worked hard enough to earn it.  God has an elect that He ensures will remain His into the next age.  That's why it says He is the Author and Finisher (Completer) of our salvation.  Once spiritually reborn, when we fail, even turn away - He doesn't reject or consider us bastards - because we're not.  We're in His family, and He treats us as a family member.  Never letting go, disciplining us as sons, to turn our heart back to Him.  Once spiritually reborn and the process of growing in grace and knowledge (maturity, sanctification) has begun, then it's treated as a family matter.   

Whom the Lord loves He chastens.  Right now, today, I absolutely COULD NOT decide, "well, I'm not going to be spiritually reborn anymore.  I'll just go do whatever I want, I'll curse God, and live like the devil and for the devil".  Guess what? It wouldn't work.  I'd do that about 10 seconds and the Holy Spirit would convict me.  Then I'd either confess my sin and turn back, or God would keep on ratcheting up the intensity until He got my attention.
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Re: Saved
« Reply #38 on: August 27, 2011, 12:28:14 AM »
John 3:16  whosoever BELIEVES, HAS

(John 5:24; Romans 8:32-36)
"Verily, Verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me, hath
everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation, but is passed from death unto life."
"He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him freely
give us all things? Who shall lay anything to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth."
(Romans 8:32-33)


"All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast
out.... And this is the will of him that sent me, that everyone which seeth the son, and believeth on him,
may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day."  Jn. 6:37,40


"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me, and I give unto them eternal life;
and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave
them to me is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."   Jn 10:27-29


God, Who Began a Work Will Complete it. (Philippians 1:6)
"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it
until the day of Jesus Christ."


no conceivable thing or experience can ever separate us from
God. Romans 8 (vs. 35-39).


The Believer Is Sealed By the Holy Spirit. (II Cor. 1:22; Eph. 1:13; 4:30)
"And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption."


(I Peter 1:4-5; Jude 24) "Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to
be revealed at the last time." "Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you
faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy."

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Re: Saved
« Reply #39 on: August 27, 2011, 12:41:44 AM »
I hope the above is helpful.   :HeartThrob:

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Re: Saved
« Reply #40 on: August 27, 2011, 12:45:27 AM »
"We're told how we're spiritually reborn from above/saved (quoted in my first post in this thread).  It's not by "enduring to the end", at least under our effort.  That would be works based, which salvation is not.  It's by being called by the Holy Spirit, and being given faith to believe on Jesus as Savior."

So if we do not " endures to the consummation, he shall be saved." so should you not endure, you'll be saved anyway?
Yes we get there by the Holy Spirit, but He uses US to bring it through. Also, what about this,  Jas 2:17  so also the faith, if it may not have works, is dead by itself. thru 26?

As far as who was He talking to: Mat 24:1  And having gone forth, Jesus departed from the temple, and his disciples came near to show him the buildings of the temple,
Mat 24:2  and Jesus said to them, `Do ye not see all these? verily I say to you, There may not be left here a stone upon a stone, that shall not be thrown down.'
Mat 24:3  And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what is the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the age?'

"in this age (grace)"??? I believe God's Grace has been here with mankind since, Gen. 3:6  at least since Gen. 6:8

"Once spiritually reborn, when we fail, even turn away..." there you said it your self, spiritually reborn.fall away EVEN turn away we certainly cant be "saved" can we?

And you continue to agree, "He doesn't reject or consider us bastards - because we're not.  We're in His family, and He treats us as a family member. Never letting go, disciplining us as sons, to turn our heart back to Him.  Once spiritually reborn and the process of growing in grace and knowledge (maturity, sanctification) has begun, then it's treated as a family matter. 
Are you not saying that mankind is not "saved, made whole, healed, preserved" YET? If He is still working the process, then does that not mean, IT AINT FINISHED YET?"

"Whom the Lord loves He chastens.  Right now, today, I absolutely COULD NOT decide, "well, I'm not going to be spiritually reborn anymore.  I'll just go do whatever I want, I'll curse God, and live like the devil and for the devil".  Guess what? It wouldn't work.  I'd do that about 10 seconds and the Holy Spirit would convict me.  Then I'd either confess my sin and turn back, or God would keep on ratcheting up the intensity until He got my attention." EXACTLY!
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Saved
« Reply #41 on: August 27, 2011, 12:49:15 AM »
God, Who Began a Work Will Complete it. (Philippians 1:6)
"Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it
until the day of Jesus Christ."


So then mankind is NOT SAVED yet. It is a work begun by God and He will complete it.

Again.....Mat 10:22  And ye will be hated by all, because of my name,—but, he that endureth throughout, the same, shall be saved.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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« Reply #42 on: August 27, 2011, 12:52:48 AM »
You're right.  Mankind is not saved yet.  Only the elect are. "...the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption".

The rest of mankind comes later.

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« Reply #43 on: August 27, 2011, 12:54:45 AM »
Again.....Mat 10:22  And ye will be hated by all, because of my name,—but, he that endureth throughout, the same, shall be saved.

"Again" - who was He talking to and about what?  Who?  The end of what?

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« Reply #44 on: August 27, 2011, 12:58:37 AM »
And even if it were to the end of THIS age, there are too many scriptures (Pauline, who wrote to US, the nations) that say it's God that ensures our endurance.  Not works.

Yes, I call this the age of grace.  If you don't like that term, then "post-cross" is the same thing.  Pre-cross, Law.  Post-cross, grace.

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Re: Saved
« Reply #45 on: August 27, 2011, 01:11:16 AM »
Rev 22:13  I am the Alpha and the Omega--the Beginning and End--the First and the Last.

End: G5056  telos  From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost.

Mat 10:22  and ye shall be hated by all because of my name, but he who hath endured to the end, he shall be saved.
End: G5056

"..that say it's God that ensures our endurance.  Not works." Yes I totally agree, but He does not do it without YOU. And when He does with you, are there not WORKS? I did not say,  that it is by OUR works, but there sure are works. Yes?
Do we not have to wait till the END to be saved? And dont we have to endure through works that could be detrimental to our body? Works that could only be completed by faith?

Hey I have to leave for the weekend Ill get back Sunday evening Lord permitting.


Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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« Reply #46 on: August 27, 2011, 01:21:05 AM »
Rev 22:13  I am the Alpha and the Omega--the Beginning and End--the First and the Last.

End: G5056  telos  From a primary word τέλλω tellō (to set out for a definite point or goal); properly the point aimed at as a limit, that is, (by implication) the conclusion of an act or state (termination [literally, figuratively or indefinitely], result [immediate, ultimate or prophetic], purpose); specifically an impost or levy (as paid): - + continual, custom, end (-ing), finally, uttermost.

Mat 10:22  and ye shall be hated by all because of my name, but he who hath endured to the end, he shall be saved.
End: G5056

"..that say it's God that ensures our endurance.  Not works." Yes I totally agree, but He does not do it without YOU. And when He does with you, are there not WORKS? I did not say,  that it is by OUR works, but there sure are works. Yes?
Do we not have to wait till the END to be saved? And dont we have to endure through works that could be detrimental to our body? Works that could only be completed by faith?

Hey I have to leave for the weekend Ill get back Sunday evening Lord permitting.

Brother micah, with this particular piece of it, no, we're not that far apart.  :)     I believe there will be works, brought about from our faith and empowered BY Him - a result of the relationship that's begun through the new spiritual birth (getting saved) - which scripture tells us how that happens [second post in this thread].

Sure, I guess we could say He ultimately "completes" our salvation when we stand before Him, but IMO, that's not in question for those whom He has already saved.  Again, it's a family matter, and there may be a few things to clear up with Dad at that time. :)   Maybe we could also say it's FULLY finished when He is All in All.  But again, I was saved, spiritually reborn when He visited me with the Holy Spirit and gave me faith to call on Him and believe on Him.  The process of growing in grace and knowledge, sanctification, failing, Him tapping me on the shoulder, picking me back up, etc., is now an ongoing, life-long one.  He's already sealed me with His Spirit (thanks be to God, nothing of my own) and though I feel very unworthy, am His son.  But through His grace I'm saved, spiritually reborn.  As the old song says, "I was there when it happened, and I guess I ought to know".  :)     Perfect?  No way.  Spiritually reborn, feet set on the Path?  Thank God, yes.  And He'll keep me there/keep bringing me back.         ***Also, yes, I agree though, it certainly does work better when we're obedient, willing to yield to Him.  It goes better that way, less spankings!  :)

Have a great weekend, I'm going to post a long post that may be helpful (it was to me).  God bless, James. 
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Re: Saved
« Reply #47 on: August 27, 2011, 01:23:21 AM »
First of all, I know it's ultimately not up to me what people believe.   :bigGrin:

Secondly, I'm surely no great expert.  However, there a few things I believe are important to consider when quoting from different parts of the Bible – especially when quoting what Jesus said to the Jews pre-cross, and what Paul said to us, the nations.  Also in that mix is that James was writing solely to Jewish Christians, new converts out of Judaism.

**Important scrip for context;  But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


This from www.centralcal.com explains the James/Paul thing in greater detail, with scriptural comparisons;

James makes it clear in the opening verses that this book was meant specifically for Jewish Christians. It is therefore not a general epistle for all Christians, but it is specifically and intentionally written solely for "the Twelve tribes scattered abroad", and as such it is not a book which Gentile Christians can glean sound doctrine from without a thorough understanding of 1st century Jewish culture and theology. Below are the passages that have caused so much confusion throughout church history because, unlike the writings of Paul, a superficial reading without understanding the background that they come from, doesn't convey a clear understanding of salvation through faith in the same way as Paul's writings.

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**CHART COMPARING TRANSLATIONS OF JAMES' VERSES.  It's just down from top of page:    http://www.centralcal.com/christ4a.htm

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These passages, at first glance, might seem to suggest that we're not actually Saved by faith alone but that "Works" play a part in salvation. Because of this misunderstanding of what was written, different denominations have based their salvation theology on these passages and concluded different things:

The Jehovah's Witnesses conclude that we're Saved by "faith", but unless we add Good Works to the faith we will lose our salvation, for what will determine our ultimately gaining Heaven will be God's reviewing our earthly Works at the Last Judgment and (hopefully) declaring them to be righteous.

The Mormons--along with many other denominations--conclude that we're Saved by faith plus Good Works (i.e. obedience to the commandments).

The Catholics conclude we're Saved by grace, and that grace produces faith infused with Good Works in the life of the believer, and that these works, done under the unction of the Holy Spirit, are counted by God as righteous acts of atonement for our misdeeds.

Now you see how this one book has caused innumerable problems amongst denominations for many years. To deal with the confusion, we must determine something: Do the writings of Paul and James agree with each other or do they contradict each other?

Since true Bible scripture must harmonize without contradicting itself, James' idea of salvation must not contradict Paul's; they must be in agreement. Either both must believe we're Saved by faith, or both must believe we're Saved by Works, or both must believe we're Saved by a combination of faith plus Works. If they disagree, then either the book of James or the writings of Paul fail the test of inerrancy and must be removed from the New Testament.

This is exactly what Martin Luther wrestled with. He concluded that the writings of James were anti-Paul, and thought that James should be dropped from the Bible altogether. If Luther was correct, then he would be right--James' one book must go in favor of Paul's 12 or 13. But for the sake of argument, let's assume both James and Paul were writing under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Both must therefore be in agreement. If they are in agreement than we should arrive at the same conclusions by reading the writings of either man. So first let us determine whether James and Paul believe that we're Saved by faith, Works, or a combination thereof. To do this, let's completely remove all the writings of Paul from the Bible and adapt our salvation theology solely from the writings of James. What would we conclude from the above passages? Well, since the book of James is small and does not fully develop a variety of Christian theology we'd still be left with a confusing series of statements which, by themselves, would leave us arguing over whether or not we are Saved by faith, by good Works, or by good Works plus faith because the book of James, by itself, isn't abundantly clear on the issue.

Now remove the book of James from the Bible and reference only the writings of Paul. Over and over again--in Romans, Galatians, Ephesians--Paul never retreats from one central theme of salvation: that it is the free gift of God, obtained through faith alone, without relying on good deeds or blind obedience to a set of rules and regulations, and thus is granted freely apart from anything we can do to merit it. It is impossible to read the books of Paul, by themselves, and conclude that Works play a direct part, rather than a peripheral role, in our salvation, as teach the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons. Only by adding a misunderstanding of the writings of James by forcibly interpreting everything Paul wrote through the philosophies of James' one book, rather than by interpreting James one book through Paul's 12, can you reach the false salvation doctrine they arrive at.

In fact, once you accept the truth of Paul's idea of salvation, and you read the passages in James in the light of Paul's writings and not at superficial face value, you discover that James is ultimately agreeing with Paul that we're Saved from sin by faith! The confusion occurs because James and Paul, while they use similar terminology, such as "justified", are writing about different subjects to different groups. Paul is usually writing to Gentiles who have come out of paganism to embrace Christ, or else to Jews outside of Palestine who have grown up in a theological environment of legalism, and thus he intentionally outlines, over and over again, the true formula of salvation, making clear that it is by faith, apart from obeying commandments or doing good deeds. James, however, is writing solely to Jews, who from infancy have been raised with the Scriptures and knew what they taught...who were likely impacted by the ministry of John the Baptist...who may have heard the teachings of Christ Himself...and who had enjoyed the benefit of at least 15 years of Apostolic teaching. Believers such as this were held to a higher standard than the Gentile or Jewish converts outside of Palestine, and reasonably were expected by now to show the proper fruits of true salvation based on the teaching they would have received. His reason for writing is not, as in the case of Paul, to outline the formula of salvation, adding the need for Works which Paul apparently fails to convey clearly (remember James was writing to educated Jewish converts, who presumably already knew the basis of soul-saving salvation was God's forgiveness of sin through blood atonement achieved by faith in Messiah's sacrifice); what he's actually doing is illustrating what sort of faith actually Saves a person by rebuking hypocrites in the church who claimed to have faith in Christ as Messiah but yet had no visible evidence of that faith in their lives. This to James marked them as Christians in name only, just as Jesus rebuked hypocrites within the Pharisee movement who, while they obeyed every commandment of God they could find, lacked the light and love of God in their lives on a practical level. James understood that true Christians should display the love of God in their lives by their actions, but while these so-called believers paid lip service to Christianity, their lifestyles weren't adding up. James is thus doing no differently than Paul, in the book of 1st Corinthians, who is rebuking the church for tolerating open sin in the fellowship. He is, however, coming at the subject on a slightly different path than Paul, emphasizing that true faith demonstrates itself by a change in lifestyle and that, absent this evidence by what he calls "Works", the sort of faith had by the individual obviously lacks the ability to actually Save the person from God's wrath.
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Re: Saved
« Reply #48 on: August 27, 2011, 04:33:16 AM »
How to Scripturally Study the Scriptures   By Adlai Loudy

This must be read knowing, dealing with two aspects, Law-Grace  =  Moses-Christ  =   Peter-Paul = earthly home-spiritual home =
So Many ways to say this, it makes it hard to say, Israel's PEOPLE IS DIFFERENT FROM THE NEW CREATION IN Christ….


                                                                           
                          RELIGION AND SALVATION


Red is Prior to Acts 28:28   Green is after the door is locked to Israel

   The way the terms religion and salvation are confused in the mind of believers today, is deplorable beyond expression.  The term "religion" has been pervertedly popularized to cover much that is absolutely unknown to the word in Scripture.  The term thręskia, ritual, occurs four times ( James 1:26-27; Acts 26:5 ;Col 2:18 ) and thręskos, ritualist, once  ( James 1:26).  Ritual denotes the outward  form of divine service, such as the rites and ceremonies, ordinances and statutes of the sacerdotal system given through Moses  ( Lev. 26:43,46; Num. 9:3; 36:13)  while a ritualist is one who conforms  to and practices this ritual.  The Scriptures also use the words religion ( Acts 25:19)  and religious  ( Acts 17:22).  They are derived from the Greek deisidaimoni , which literally means DREAD-DEMONISM , and denotes the superstitious veneration and worship of demons through dread and fear. Compare 1 Cor. 10:20
   On the other hand, the Scriptures use the word sōtęria, salvation, many times, the basic meaning of which is rescue from injury or evil for safety and security. The gospel is God's power for salvation---spiritual rescue or redemption from sin with security until the day of deliverance---to every one who is believing             ( Rom1:16-17;  Eph 1:13-14; 4:30 and is the gift of God (Rom. 4:2-5 ;Eph. 2:8-9).




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Re: Saved
« Reply #49 on: August 27, 2011, 04:45:18 AM »
**Important scrip for context;  But He answered and said, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel."


This from www.centralcal.com explains the James/Paul thing in greater detail, with scriptural comparisons;
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