I am curious what others thoughts are on same sex marriage being legalized in California. I am feeling greived by it....
I'm fighting the temptation to be grieved because I know for a fact that some challenges that I've recently had, physically, were because of unresolved grief. But were I at the level of health that I'm believing God for, I'd of probably torn my shirt by now, thrown some dirt like a middle eastern person, and would be sitting in my prayer shawl wailing before God over it. I could philosophically argue anyone into a corner without even referencing St. Paul's epistles on it, which I take very literally, but it's not even worth it any more without having a tangible anointing from the Lord in manifestation to cast that thing out. After a while, you just know what
you're arguing with. I've been forced to look at this issue for about 10 years because of various people that I've known. I've heard their arguments for it, but after a while, it's just a mockery of what's right and as St. Paul said, it's often the fruit of an unthankful life. Some people may try to argue with that and feign a philosophical thankfulness for their lives, their God, their nature, etc., but there's a difference between philosophical thankfulness and the actual practice and spiritual warfare and worship involved in actual thankfulness.
If there are any married men at these boards that are in a heterosexual marriage, but you struggle with "secret desires," I'm telling you how to cut your way out of that with the Sword of the Spirit. I'm not casting stones, I'm looking at Romans 1 for the anatomy of this thing and how to run it off in what I'm sharing. I would add additionally that it also seems to almost universally be rooted in abuse issues and/or in a porn addiction, so work through forgiveness issues and what you allow in front of your eyes and to take up your time in your imagination.
God loves everyone the same, while at the same time loving everyone differently in the way that He appreciates each of the different ways in which He made them. But at the same time everyone has His entire Heart and all of His eternity for the taking and for the enjoying. But there are certain roads that the Scriptures point to that lead to death and that one leads to it sooner than most other roads with the average life expectancy of a homosexual being about 41 years of age. Death from this sin is particularly horrible. Yes, in Christ shall all be made alive, but it's not worth missing out on being a part of the reign of Christ and the reclaiming of all life everywhere because you couldn't live crucified with Christ.
Since I'm kicking really really hard on this one, in the way that some may look at it, I'll be honest enough to say that I dealt with "secret desires," in my preteens, lest it later be claimed that I'm speaking naively about something that I know nothing about. YEAH, RIGHT! I embraced the Lordship of Jesus when I was 14 years old, and it was between 12 and 15 years before I could say that I was completely free of this particular devil. So, I say it's a devil not just from my Pentecostal upbringing, but as one that fought that damned thing (advisedly said), tooth and nail over the Bread and the Cup of the Lord until that thing had finally turned me loose once and for all. There's honest to God freedom and purity for your emotions, your mind, your imagination, your past, and your body through Jesus Christ if you're someone who has come to these boards thinking the typical thing about Universalists in any way being connected to Unitarians. Some Universalists are, but I'm one of the Biblical ones. Homosexuality is one of the wickedest types of spirits that a human being will ever come in contact with between now and the final restoration of the last prodigal to Father through Christ. That thing is manipulative, deceptive, philosophical, extremely self-justifying, bottomless in it's lust, bottomless in it's depravity, etc. And it doesn't have any place whatsoever in a human being using their groin or their colon for it's own personal glory and gratification.
There are apparently many within UR (and much of society) that see it as no big deal, everyone's accepted, no difference between light and darkness, God doesn't notice or care. I agree with scripture's statements that we will all have our unrighteous works tried and burned, and that during that process all (except perhaps a very few) will suffer some loss, and some will suffer much loss, saved as by fire. Paul talks about unnatural passions and lifestyles, and states that apparently at some point God will allow such to continue in their sins until judged. Sin is sin, and I have my share of mine. I usually attempt for that to not be willing, habitual sin, though I've failed in that area as well. IMO, choosing to live a homosexual lifestyle, including marriage into what Paul called an "unnatural affection" is sin, as is heterosexual sin that is outside the bounds of God's will. Yes it is disturbing, and IMO, its acceptance is a negative for our society. Jesus loved the adulteress, but He apparently didn't approve of her adultery, as He told her to go and sin no more...(only through His grace can any of us stand, as He works His will through us). God's blessing, James.
By the way, you're brave, and maybe I'm stupid, because this is not popular opinion in many circles .
Relax, 'cause as usual I did something to make sure that nobody else's goose would get cooked but mine on a topic by sticking my neck out there the furthest and with the biggest bull's eye or cutting outline drawn on it with a marker. The only reason, as I noted above, that taking a Biblical stand on this sin will seemingly take more heat than a Biblical stand on any other sin is because of the ruler of darkness, or perhaps straight out wicked spirit in heavenly places involved with this one.
If we were talking lies, cheating on taxes, adultery, murder, rape, disobedience to parents, war crimes, or other issues, we genuinely wouldn't feel like we'd really stuck ourselves out there for rejection by our fellow Christians who might even have a difference of opinion on the particulars on any of the other things that could have been brought up instead. For those who see a gray area here, the fact that this can stir up such an emotional backlash or worse -- that should tell them something about the subject 'cause it's genuinely a worldly "don't go there" that has no basis in reality with how much hatred that it can stir. The abortion issue comes close, but it still falls short a few orders of magnitude in the area of shock value when you Biblically question societal foregone conclusions on the matter.
I know that neither myself, Jabcat, nor Stardust75 have said what we've said out of any kind of lack of love for anyone. This is just a polarizing issue. And some people will never agree with us 'cause their minds are already made up and/or their opinion's been shaped by too many circumstances.
Life isn't one issue, unless you're talking about the issue of Jesus Christ. Everything else will get sorted out in the resurrection. That's where I'm getting to these days about different things where people have already got their minds made up and aren't changing without their own version of a burning bush. All you can do is love people with absolutely everything you've got, maintain your own personal Biblical standards of right and wrong without falling into the Pharisee's trap of picking up stones -- which is a temptation for anyone, even those with less crystal clear convictions about the Bible. And if not over this issue, then over something else 'cause the twin extremes of licentiousness and Phariseeism are the traps that await us all. If we've usually fallen into the one, but never into the other -- apart from God's gracious intervention -- the other trap will catch us unawares, if only briefly at some point in our lives.
Though it's as much a sin as any other sin, that's not to say that bad people are caught up in it, from the standpoint of the typical religious caricatures of wicked people or whatever. The most loving, creative, inspirational and inspiring, the most charming, the most educated, and the most "together" people in every other area of their lives that I've personally ever known or gotten to know were homosexuals/lesbians. That's one of the reasons why even among many Christians, if you take a Biblical stand on this, then there's a fear that you're actually attacking
some of the absolute most wonderful people they know or have known. That's one of the things that absorbed so many of my own thoughts over the last 10 years about whether or not this was really wrong or just wrong for me personally. The very first time that I ever fell in love -- she turned out to be a lesbian. If you don't think that that kind of a personal experience won't mess with your head!! I didn't know what to think for years after that, although I was determined to treat that as totally inappropriate behaviour on my own part that by God's grace I'd never slip into, and thankfully never did.
Some people would say that that's because the devil goes after the most gifted and the most called in order to bring them down. A certain amount of that might be true. A certain amount of that might be something that they slip into because of ego reasons. Not in every case, but in too many cases you are dealing with above average intelligence, above average talented people, and above average everything else. So, some of the behavioural side, ignoring the strong compulsions in this direction for just a minute, but just some of the behavioural issues could be people in their youth testing their own inner sense of immortality, in addition to deliberately going after the tabboo. And again, I'm not talking about the insanity that accompanies this where emotions, thoughts, and hormones are running wild. Morality is so much a matter of not just what you know, but of who you know, to where I can't help thinking that this is just one more aspect of this confused chain of interwoven psychic realities that we call the relationships that we have in this life. Not that there's necessarily always someone to jerk people into the behavioural aspect of this without their seeking it out, but my thoughts are running more towards Mark chapter 4 and thinking about word seeds that are something other than the Word Seed of the Kingdom.
There are absolutely no easy solutions to any of our sins and temptations, but, thankfully, we know Who holds our past, present, and future -- our one great "NOW" in the palms of His Hands