willieH: Hi trettep...
And here I thought you didn't
See Willie is changing things up again. He says that God is currently ALL in ALL.
Hold on there cowboy... I have not stated anything about CURRENTLY... I have stated that GOD ...IS
... ALL in ALL... He remains FOREVER what He IS
, at ALL "TIMES" during TIME... however... that is not TRUE of us... "Currently"
applies to US... and for US, we are yet on the JOURNEY of TIME... but for HIM that JOURNEY is already COMPLETE. And IS perfectly NOTED, ...END, from BEGINNING... He is at BOTH POINTS and all other points in between, at ALL TIMES...WE
The TEACHER has the KNOWLEDGE of the subject presented to the "CLASS", BOTH ...BEFORE the class begins as well as AFTER the class is consumated... The CLASS must journey through time
to GAIN the KNOWLEDGE of the TEACHER which was the SAME at the END as it was when the CLASS began... and was THERE ...ALL of the TIME
of the class resulted in the CLASS gaining the ENLIGHTENMENT of the TEACHER which HAD that ENLIGHTENMENT at the Beginning, middle and End (at all "times")... The STATE of ENLIGHTENMENT, was ALWAYS there with HIM... He did NOT CHANGE at ALL, nor did HE
"become" something during the CLASS, ...remaining the SAME throughout the JOURNEY
in "TIME" of the students...
The HEAD is relating a knowledge (revealing/revelation) to the BODY... remember the "wet" thing? The HEAD does not become
something... the BODY does... and that something which IS what the HEAD always IS, ...is without BEGINNING or END... For it (the HEAD and ALL its KNOWLEDGE) -- ALWAYS IS...
God does not BECOME something as the benefactor of His Creation... His Creation becomes AWARE of something it was NOT AWARE of...
You just "currently" don't get it bro...
But that is NOT true is it? Let's look at scripture to PROVE this point:
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
I am not changing ANYTHING up trettep... and this Scripture does not prove your point...
At the CONCLUSION of TIME, ...all things which were UNSUBDUED in TIME
are RETURNED to their ETERNAL state which IS
Eternally SUBDUED... and which state IS God -- "ALL in ALL"...
The "when" is applicable to US, not Him... for He noted the END "when" from the BEGINNING "when"... and thus does it occur. Romans 9 is a good place to find the SOVEREIGNTY of GOD... and that ALL THINGS are ALREADY
subject to that SOVEREIGNTY. Which is WHY He finds FAULT when, all along, ...the "fault" was ordained to "BE", ...BY HIM... He is working ALL THINGS, Paul...
The "when" in 1 Cor 15:28
is concerning US and our JOURNEY, ...not Him... He is not on a JOURNEY to and from US... it is the other way around bro... read the parable of the LOST SON... The Son was WITH
the Father, left, and then RETURNED... the Father was ALWAYS where He was and the JOURNEY of the SON already NOTED... end
The Father was IN CONTROL of the JOURNEY from its beginning, for the SON could not have "wasted" something he was not GIVEN... which "giving" makes the Father party to what was to come...
The Father then PURPOSELY gave
the "LOST SON" the desire to have his inheritance, ...then gave
him the bucks... already having created the scenarios which entail "waste"... then, having ALREADY instilled His LOVE in the LOST Son, BEFORE his "journey" began... then recieved the LOST SON, which came back DUE to the REVELATION of the LOVE
which "sent him away
" of that which was THERE to begin with... just not understood by the TWO sons... (revealed to them) -- Jer 29:14
GOD causes us to be carried away, and BRINGS us BACK to Himself... which is the journey in time
to discover the WONDER of His LOVE which IS within ALL of us and which IS Him, unrevealed, but PRESENT.
of the FATHER is that which is REVEALED by the knowledge (journey through time) of GOOD and EVIL, bro... and that LOVE
is ALWAYS complete IN and FOR all of us... and ALWAYS has been COMPLETE...
That LOVE was ALWAYS there IN
ALL... and does NOT CHANGE... it is ETERNAL... the FATHER always IS
... that LOVE.
Willie, we just can't IGNORE the word "WHEN" here. The matter concerning ALL in ALL is regarding God's Spirit. God's Spirit is NOT currently ALL in ALL.
You can't ignore it because it is beyond your eyes to see otherwise, Paul...
The word "CURRENTLY" that you use... is a TERM which is applicable to US
... not HIM... For GOD is IN
ALL POINTS of TIME at ALL
"TIMES" = OMNIPRESENT = PRESENT everywhere
, and everywhen
If He is indeed (from HIS eternal standpoint, not being INHIBITED by His Creation) PRESENT in the END... and "as you percieve", ...IN the "when" of the END -- He IS ALL in ALL
... it is US who finally arrive at that "END when"... To find He was ALREADY THERE
, from the BEGINNING... ALL in ALL
It ain't that hard bro... but "SEEING" is only enabled by SIGHT... which presently eludes you...