willieH: Hi brother S...
I truly do not mean this post to be arguementative, just a differing view of the same entity -- "time"
Time doesn't really ever matter. Does time matter when God is all in all?
The problem I have is the word "when"
God is, ...is NOW always
(omnipresent geographically, realm wise, and both In or Out of HEAVEN)...
So accordingly He has ALWAYS been ALL in ALL (in every "when"
)... He does not morph from one thing to another for He is ALWAYS
PERFECT, regardless of the existences (ordained of Him) of temporal entites such as TIME...
Which is the realm in which WE "now" exist...
In only matters if we devote consideration to it. So in that sense, no. Time impartial. It is just the continuum wherein sequential moments are known to occur
IMO "sequential moments KNOWN
to occur" is stated from OUR "time-bound" position, not His... for He IS
, no matter what or "when" we percieve Him
And concerning SEQUENCE
, He named the END from the BEGINNING, yet WE move from beginning to end... whatupwidat?
He designed the entire SEQUENCE and began at the END in designing it, then made its "progression" START from where HE ENDED... Isaiah 46:10
His FOREKNOWLEDGE and SOVEREIGNTY are not bound by FINITE parameters... one of which entails a "SEQUENCE"... (a sequence is an order finding ...one thing following another)... He created "SEQUENCE" by declaring the END from the BEGINNING, from a position which has neither [ETERNAL]. (JMH-Observation)
If that matters, it is only in the eye of the beholder. I believe, and have found agreement, that progression will occur in the heavenlies, that action and process will occur, not a continual frozen state of "now."
The state of "NOW" in HEAVENLY perspective (as I see scripture), is in opposition to this realm... ALL that occurs within
TIME outside of CHRIST
is destined for the scrap pile (1 Cor 3:11-15
), including TIME... the HEAVENLY "progression" (if indeed it does have one) of NOW
cannot be determined by OUR FINITE observations or imposed parameters from that
We might observe Heaven with "finite" and "unaided eyes" and find it FROZEN
Who is to say?
But if GOD should open those "eyes" an entirely NEW observation of NOW
could be availed... Just as other worlds in the Universe, are likely inhabited by beings, and animals completely DIFFERENT from our experience here, ...as well as other entities and things, which we might not even be ABLE to behold with our Earthly TIME-BOUND, FINITE EYES (seeing God make no 2 snowflakes alike --
is impossible with GOD...
Concerning the "Heavenlies" -- ANGELS DO exist, yet we cannot SEE them... GOD exists yet we cannot SEE Him... JESUS
exists, and even though He came here for a "time" and (though that "time" is over) yet LIVES, ...we still cannot SEE Him either...
I guess we could argue this until (however) it really IS
actually revealed to ALL of us, but for now, this is how I "see" it.
Just as I cannot see (aside from the obedience of GOD [submission to the WORD
] in this realm), ANYTHING that actually IS
as it IS
in that HEAVENLY realm, ...I cannot speak about HEAVENLY absolutes
(i.e. a form of "Heavenly time
" is or IS NOT existent) from this Earthly plane, and FINITE existence...
For I cannot see or hear or BE, within the Heavenly realm to witness what IS or IS NOT there... I can only deduce from Scripture, that JESUS
noted BELIEF in the realm of the HEAVENLY even for a MASTER of the Scriptures, is not within (beyond) the capacity of that "master"...
There is a matter of STILL
NESS noted in Scripture... For GOD stated: Psalm 46:10 "be STILL and KNOW that I am GOD"
... So "knowing GOD", has STILL
NESS attached to it...Mark 4:39 JESUS
said to the (in motion, chaotic) storm: "Peace, BE STILL"
... So a PEACE also involves a STILL
NESS... Which is quite hard to gain in this life... for most are hardly "stationary" concerning ANYTHING... Ex 14:13
MOSES instructed: "stand STILL and SEE the Salvation of YHVH"
-- Which means in order to observe this, we must be STILL
... Job 37:14
-- To see His wondrous works we must be STILLJob 34:17
-- all flesh perish together? How can that be? Maybe from a STILL point of view...
It is in STILL
NESS of mind and circustance, that the HEART
what GOD calls in the Scriptures: 1 Kings 19:12
small voice! (HIS
I did a study on another forum a while back about my beliefs about "TIME"... maybe I will post it... I believe that it explains the ANCIENT appearance of the Earth, and the STARS... also the enigma's such as the Dinosaurs... which NO one can seem to explain... especially from the chronology of the "FIRST day" of Creation to the present... involving only some 6K years...
Geology argues MILLIONS even BILLIONS of "years" (and within that the foolishness of evolution is born)... and Christianity argues for a YOUNG Earth (which cannot explain the Dinosaurs, fossilization, strata layers, etc)... I think it is both... it just takes EYES to see what took place...