Where we disagree in your statement here is that I don't believe you gave me the Truth. So I didn't refuse the Truth.
That you don't "believe" I gave you TRUTH, does not make the "belief" valid...
Neither did they
when UR was presented to them trettep... those who are not given to KNOW the truth, will refuse it when it is presented, which IS the point...
And which is why YOU reject it.
How can you say you agree with the first point and then say that I refused the Truth if I don't believe what you gave was the Truth in the first place?
Paul... you fail to understand that in the progression of the REVELATION of JESUS CHRIST
, which is the "revelation" of the WORD
of GOD... that many
shall respond and call JESUS
Lord for they are enabled to do so by GOD, and such (calling JESUS
a Revelation of the TRUTH, for JESUS
IS the Lord and Savior of ALL... yet they are NOT CHOSEN to KNOW the TRUTH in many other areas, ...As is noted and evidenced in Matt 7:22-23
It is evident in CHRISTIANITY which names many (even MOST) of its essential teachings which are NOT named or found in the BIBLE -- such as "trinity -- rapture -- Eternal separation from God -- free will -- Hell -- spiritual Israel -- going to Heaven -- fallen angels -- satan as a being"
, ...the list is sorrowfully long
as well as sorrowfully wrong
. (pretty poetic eh?
As I have stated several times... YOU
cannot teach ME
, and vice-versa... what happens is GOD annoints the words which carry truth and POINT to HIS WORD
, ...NOT that which points to one's "opinion" or "EXTERNAL writings"...
It is HIS WORD
that thereby REVEALS to those who are CHOSEN to KNOW IT...
That does not mean that either YOU ...OR I, shall in this discussion, be bearing TRUTH... what it MEANS is that both of us are to remain submitted to Him faithfully, and thereby CAN be USED By Him, if HE
If He chooses to reveal TRUTH to either of us... and we are submitted, He can thereby use ones words to speak to another... using HIS WORD
in the process...
In the mean time... we both shall stand upon what we presently BELIEVE (which we should, but continue to seek and remain open)... and which, just like the "ET folks"... are SINCERE and GENUINE in their positions, can later be found potentially erroneous when compared to the HOLY TRUTH on any given matter or doctrine...
See Willie, Jesus and His ministry is about persuasion. You have resorted to attacks and comments that you have had to go back and delete or apologize for.
:omg: How sorrowful of you to take my apology
and use it against me... I admitted losing patience with you... and have endeavored in writing before ALL to repent of it. But instead of practicing the GRACE of FORGIVENESS... you wish to take my apology and further "beat me with it"... This only serves as a degradation of yourself Paul...
That I am a man, and admittedly I have flaws and those flaws do surface from time to time as I walk as a man... it is at time unfortunate for those who suffer me...
But when I make an apology for those mistakes, it testifies to the presence of the GRACE of the INNER MAN, when HUMILITY is displayed before any I might offend, within those faults...
That you respond by TRAMPLING upon that display TESTIFIES of the "spirit" with which you deal with a brother, namely me.
You thereby display the "spirit" of UNFORGIVENESS
When YOU admitted to ONE of your (several) UNBIBLICAL propositions here ("ETERNITY is a span of TIME")...
that admission... HERE:
But let me tell you, just as the scriptures don't say that "Eternity is a span of Time", it also doesn't say "God will save trettep".
Nice to see you admit that one of your statements is not mentioned in the WORD... I commend you for it!
Instead of verbally slapping you further concerning this statement... I commended your humility
and admission. Unfortunately you are unable to practice this before me... by GRACEFULLY accepting my apology. Instead you point out the mistake and attempt to enlarge upon it!
You have more than Scriptural TRUTH to learn brother Paul... your heart is in a hardened condition, and does not know to respond to HUMILITY with the instructions given by the WORD
:1 John 4:19-20
-- if love your brother you shall FORGIVE him - (you have NOT)Matt 5:44
-- forgive enemies -- who are enemies? (You have NOT)Matt 10:36
-- foes = members of your own household... (speaks for itself)
I have thoroughly explained my position USING SCRIPTURE to establish that position -- something YOU have NOT DONE
... Instead you offer writings OUTSIDE of SCRIPTURE to try to "substanciate" your beliefs as valid...
Which is as effective quoting a "Hal Lindsay" book...
Shouldn't that tell you something about the spirit that you are perceiving the "Truth" with? I'm am trying to help Willie, and I do want to believe you. I want to believe everyone. But God gave me logic and from what I have been given and when utilized I can't find the logic to embrace what your saying as True on this particular subject.
...Now within your UNFORGIVING SPIRIT, you wish to go all "spiritual" on me -- "trying to help"...
If GOD gave you LOGIC... you would STAY in the WORD
, and use SCRIPTURAL foundations for your beliefs, instead of wandering OUTSIDE of it, and embracing NON-SCRIPTURAL documents, as well as embracing your own "opinion" which makes statements which are UNSCRIPTURAL, as well as ADDING to the TEXT, that which is NOT THERE, ...which I have already shown in this thread is your practice...
Stating things which ARE NOT found in Scripture and which you will NOT admit to -- such as: "TIME itself is an ATTRIBUTE of GOD"
(or the retracted) "ETERNITY is a SPAN of TIME"
ADDING to Scripture "divine nature"
(unmentioned) to Mal 3:6
, as well as noting that this ADDITION
is in reference to "HIS PERSON, and/or HIS SPIRIT"
which are also UNMENTIONED
in the text of Mal 3:6
Now, because you are UNABLE to prove your beliefs with SCRIPTURE, you offer (to "prove" or "substanciate" your beliefs) with writings which are EXTERNAL of Scripture -- namely: "BARNABAS"
BARNABAS is no more Scripture than is "Left behind"... GOD maintains His WORD
... and the writing of BARNABAS is NOT considered as SCRIPTURE. If it were, it would appear in the canon of SCRIPTURE... which it does not
Name one version of TRANSLATED SCRIPTURE
which includes this writing of "BARNABAS"...
BARNABAS is an early "Christian" writing, and there are MANY such writings... THEY are NOT
SCRIPTURE, ...just personal writings of testimony and/or commentary of those within "Christian" belief, ...much in the same way as BILLY GRAHAM's writings shall one day be considered in the distant future... Billy Graham does not WRITE SCRIPTURE... He comments from his viewpoint, upon SCRIPTURE... just as we are doing here trettep...
As the Apostles John & Paul were continually warning others of the pollutions in and around the early church... the writings of men such as BARNABAS were subject to these pollutions...
You are welcome to believe anything you wish... it is not my concern. Personally, I believe that GOD maintains control over HIS WORD
... which is why
the ENTIRE canon of SCRIPTURE is found amidst the CATHOLIC Bible... for it is the common ground that ALL can stand upon and find communication...
If we must travel outside the canon... we are seeking to found our beliefs on UNCOMMON GROUND... which is where YOU and I shall further separate... If BARNABAS is an example of what is to come in your endeavor to substanciate your views... we shall
"bump heads" often.
You are UNABLE found your beliefs on the BIBLE AS it is WRITTEN, and as is agreed in common within Christianity (by GOD's ORDINATION)... So you endeavor to substanciate your beliefs with EXTERNAL writings...
If your beliefs were BIBLICAL, you would found them on the WORD
we share in common... The fact is that YOU CANNOT... and any such EXTERNAL usage is INVALID (except to you)
You are FORCED to go outside of the WORD
, in this discussion, by -- (1)
falsely self created UNBIBLICAL statements by YOU and by -- (2)
ADDITIONS to the WORD
, made by YOU, and as if that is NOT enough, by -- (3)
seeking documents OUTSIDE of the BIBLE to prove and substanciate your "beliefs"...
This is the format of DELUSION... which GOD said that He would send...
-- 2 Thess 2:10-11
I pray for you bro...