willieH: Hi Paul...
Paul... the ETERNAL fact is that GOD ...IS
... All IN All
... and that FACT is being "revealed" in TIME... you just don't (at this moment) see it... TIME does not avail GOD to BECOME anything... HE IS what HE IS... always has been, always will be...
Time is a FINITE entity in which ETERNAL revelation takes place... when the ETERNAL is revealed (CHRIST and that GOD IS ALL IN ALL), then TIME is no longer necessary, for that WHICH is PERFECT is come... and thereby that which is IMPERFECT (time and ALL within it) is done away... that you do not see this now, is okay with me...
My observance of you is that you are a seeker of truth... and mark my words, you WILL discover this one day...
That said bro, here is my reply to you:
Willie, "I" is a reference to the person.
To begin with bro... "I" is actually a reference to a BEING -- when the word "AM" is applied to it...
It calls attention to an entity that "IS"... it does not indicate that the entity is a "person" even though I do agree that it is indicative of His person (essence)... and that "His PERSON" (essence) ...IS
... is actually the point. For "His essence" encases ALL that He IS (in ETERNAL perspective)... one of which IS
, that He IS ALL in ALL...
A "person" is not indicated in this text, ...rather is assumed (Although Heb 1:3
notes Him to be a "person" it more refers to His ESSENCE).
Even if you carry on with the assumption that "His person" is that which is addressed in this verse, then "His person" is that which DOES NOT CHANGE
He is MORE than a person, for WE, are "persons" and what HE IS
, is much more than we can suppose ourselves to BE
... the word PERSON in Heb 1:3
actually means ESSENCE, look it up if you will --
reference to Himself saying: "I AM"... in Mal 3:6
"is" ("am")... but in the dogs existing LIFE, it is not considered a "PERSON"...
A recorded song
"is", but is NOT a "PERSON"... that "something/anything" is indicated as BEING, does not mean that that "something" which is noted EXISTING (as in "I AM"), indicate a "person"... A trash can IS a trash can, and IS
full of trash, without either the trash can or the trash being a "person"...
My point being that in this text, the word "I" does not indicate a person
, nor does the word "AM" indicate it... it simply summarizes ALL that YHVH
... and that that "ALL" that HE IS
, does NOT CHANGE.
It is YOU that are reading more into that.
How can you say that bro? I am asserting that Mal 3:6
what IT SAYS
... that Mal 3:6
that YHVH IS
, in stating "I AM" -- YHVH
... does NOT CHANGE
It is YOU which implies that HE "BECOMES
" something ("all in all") that He "IS
" NOT, ...by using the vehicle of TIME to do so! And further implying that He was, is and will be -- UNABLE to BE "all in all" without that CREATED vehicle!
And the proposal that He "IS" a "person" is limiting Him... He is MUCH MORE than a "person" -- which we, as sinful BEINGS are... I do not deny that He is SINGULAR and that SINGULARITY can be isolated with the term "person", but Him being a "person" it does not ENCASE Him in any way, as it does with us as FINITES...
"I" would be a nature.
That is nothing but assumption.
If it was me speaking then "I" would be a reference to my spirit which is a carnal nature.
No... your CARNAL nature PART of you, and is the unsubmitted portion of YOU... the submitted portion of YOU, is still "I", just submitted to the overcoming POWER of CHRIST
, which renders inert, the "unsubmitted" portion of YOU.
The reference to "I" does not just entail your nature... it includes your talents, your physical appearance, your intellect, you memory, etc...
The reference the Apostle Paul makes to himself as "I", is no longer the "I" that he was -- Rom 7:17
-- rather he is become the "I" that LIVES in CHRIST
... Nevertheless, later in Rom 7
the TWO -- "I's" remain -- Rom 7:25
In our submission to JESUS
... we are no longer "we" but "he" (CHRIST
)... yet reference is still made to BOTH when we refer to ourselves as "I"... For the WAR continues to rage within...
Since this is God speaking the nature is "DIVINE". It doesn't have to say specifically "divine nature" or "spirit" that is implied by "I". It is the meaning of "I" when the "I" is a referring to God. It isn't speculation.
"Implied" by YOU, not by the TEXT...
Paul you are convincing yourself of something that is NOT STATED in Mal 3:6
The "nature" of the Divine is the ESSENCE and TOTALITY of WHO and WHAT God ...IS... which DOES NOT CHANGE...
Whatever GOD ...IS... does NOT CHANGE... THAT is what Mal 3:6
GOD ...IS... All IN All... His Creation did not bring forth this, it is an ETERNAL FACT... for He CHANGES NOT... and never "becomes" something He WAS NOT...
Willie, if there is no time there cannot be change, for "change" would require time.
TIME is needed for US, who are residents of TIME and who DO CHANGE, ...NOT
... for YHVH
, who is a "resident" of ETERNITY and DOES NOT CHANGE.
For changes would be measured by some event(s) over time.
Again, what ever ETERNITY ...IS... has ALWAYS BEEN... TIME is amidst it... it is not a measure of it, nor has TIME ALWAYS BEEN... for it had a BEGINNING... and shall have an END... in TOTAL, a mere "dot" in the vastness of forever...
So if God thought that Time was not applicable to God then He wouldn't address Change but rather Time itself. But since God addresses Change this is confirmation that Time is in the container of Eternity and that Time itself is an attribute of God.
No offense my brother, but this is CONSTRUCTED self-deception... TIME is a Creation of GOD, not an ATTRIBUTE... CHALLENGE #1:
Thus far, even though you have responded to me twice, ...and you have avoided one challenge so far, in that you have not provided the Scripture which notes "ETERNITY is a SPAN of TIME"
... are you having trouble locating it? CHALLENGE #2:
Note the Scripture which says (according to the words you just stated) "TIME itself is an ATTRIBUTE of GOD"
Paul, ...I believe you to be a sincere believer... but as you speak, you state things that are not SCRIPTURALLY supported... and are centering part of your "sincere belief" around them...
Thus far you have stated TWO (as far as my research has availed) UnScriptural statements (which remain UNSCRIPTURAL until you provide the support IN THEM)... as well as imposing premises upon Mal 3:6
which are NOT present in it... (that Mal 3:6
notes: "divine nature", and indicates that GOD is a "person") ...as well as noting that GOD needed TIME in order to BE
-- ALL in ALL -- which belief indicates that He was INCOMPLETE until He created TIME... which also indicates that He was not PERFECT (complete), for He needed TIME to BECOME something He was NOT.
Sorry bro... don't buy it.