willieH: Hi sister S...
Sorry it took so long to get to this reply sis...
I mean my answer in the softest way sis...
...If my speech seems a bit direct or at times in this reply, please forgive me, I do not mean to sound at all crass...
Just because I like to tear things apart and be sure of what people are saying...
Now sorry if it sounds like I'm in kindergarten here for a minute, but just bear with a sister..
Are you saying that we are all going to be morphed into one being?
We will not be separate beings?
It depends on the perception of "being" sis... Is the EYE which is a "being" or essential part of vision, not completely different than the EAR? Is LOVE which is in the heart not an intangible PART of ourselves, yet has no particular "dimensions" or Physical attributes?JESUS
noted to Nicodemus that he could not PERCIEVE (believe) or behold HEAVENLY THINGS, it was enough for him to try and "get" the Earthly things -- John 3:12
I am no more qualified to explain HEAVENLY THINGS or HEAVENLY EXISTENCE than any other man, it is enough for me to merge into the HEAVENLY "thing" (JESUS), that came here FROM THERE, and check my "perceptions" of HEAVEN at that "door"...
What I DO know is that as we merge into JESUS, we merge into service of the Father, while here on the earth... And it is BEYOND us to KNOW what Heaven holds in store, so it is best we concentrate on the "here & now" instead of speculating on the "there & then"...
Example... let's say a glass jar is shattered into a billion pieces. Then those billion pieces are melted down and formed back into being a glass jar?
Are we just going to be one big blob?
That would be a speculation of "earthly" perception - eh?
See... I don't really think that you are saying that.
But it could be construed that way.
But maybe you ARE saying that.?
I can only "say" that LOVE definitely exists here... but it cannot be measured by "earthly" means... so may also, be ALL other "Heavenly" things...
Literally, what do you mean "all we are is his body and temple"?
Are you saying that we are Jesus?
But He was shattered into billions of pieces (people) and then they (we, the pieces) are going to morph back into Him literally and become one? So there will be no actual PEOPLE walking around?
You began this question with the word "literally
"... and I believe that is where your answer lies... the perception of Heaven, by using LITERAL Earthly perception will arrive at the same futility as trying to measure LOVE with "scale" or "ruler"...
We are each COME FORTH from Him, as ARE ALL THINGS
-- Col 1:16-17
If we are extensions of Him, are we not PART of Him? That we are named HIS BODY and the TEMPLE of GOD, and we are to seek UNITY, ...are we not therefore, SEEKING to make ALL THIS add up to -- ONE
I have my own views and thoughts but I am just trying to dissect what you (and others) are saying.
Keep in mind, I do not come from a church background, so some phrases/terminology is lost on me at times. It makes sense from a spiritual point of view, but then I start thinking... maybe they are talking LITERALLY. Then to me, some of the glory is lost, in my eyes. Then I start to not understand what the heck a person is saying at all. Do you know what I mean?
I did not "grow up" in the "church" either... Though I did have some teaching from my mom in my early days concerning God... My parents were not "church-goers"...
In our desire to KNOW, we must come to a place of humility which notes we cannot KNOW it all... There will be things to learn every day of our lives... and IN LIVING, shall we LEARN as well as in STUDY...
My advice is to leave "LITERAL" at the door as you seek to enter the SPIRITUAL...
I think the reason I question people so much about this topic when it is brought up is because I need to know EXACTLY what people are saying. There are several different viewpoints. For example, I've had experiences with "new age" folks who talk about being one with the source, but they are talking LITERAL, as in all people dissapear back into God. Like we are not even actual beings anymore.
Again... the "LITERAL" man is seeking ONENESS all life long... which is why we MATE, why we TEAMWORK, why we wish to have HARMONY, etc... If one believes IN GOD, and GOD has created this incredible Creation of VARIETY, yet works together to make it viable for ALL... then to suppose that formula shall change in ETERNITY, is pretty INOBSERVANT...
I am not a "scientist or doctor" so forgive this somewhat bumbling attempt --- But, My body works as MANY MEMBERS, to the edification and sustainence of itself:
, using my EYES
to observe the food on the plate, and instruct my ARM
, assisted by the ELBOW
, to extend my FINGERS
to grasp a fork then the HAND
to the plate, to place food in my MOUTH
, within the TEETH
to chew it so it may be swallowed by my TONGUE
, that it may reach the STOMACH
, which digests the food, and in doing so, separates the nutrients and sends the nutrients through the BLOOD
, which is manufactured by the BONE MARROW
and then is pumped by the HEART
, to the varying parts of the BODY
which need these individual nutrients, and in turn the INTESTINES
remove the waste and, well you know the rest...
--- THUS the varying MEMBERS in a WONDERFUL and cooperative effort, sustain the BODY
as a UNIT=ONE
We are just basically SWALLOWED up by God, and we still have some consciousness or what have you, but we are just one big "God blob" sort of floating around. Which I have thought about before, and thought to myself... hmmm. If THAT is true, then ok... that's fine, God is God and it's His creation. BUT then my mind wanders over to the picture in my heart and mind of the absolute masterpiece of a world with creatures in love with their Creator... It is an absolute masterpiece.
Might I interrupt for a moment... Does your HEART object to being the heart? Is it envious or upset that it is not the EYE? Did GOD not set these into ONE BODY?
It appears to me that you are applying your physical perception to things which NONE of us can KNOW... I do not know what the RETURN to Heaven shall be, but I can tell you this... there shall be NO OBJECTIONS to what GOD has planned for all of us...
(IMO) What is IMPORTANT while here in this life, ...is to GAIN as much UNITY with GOD and His Creation (all living things) and LOSE as much SELF as possible in that process, while we are here...
A true physical world that is so far beyond what our fallen world is. A world with people and creatures and no sin, and nothing but LOVE. And this just absolute WORSHIP of God THROUGH everything in this new world. He is absolutely infused into every molecule and we will be AWARE of that! Everything will be a celebration of God.
I do not disagree with any of that sister S... except the "physical" portion. Though I do not name ABSOLUTES for I cannot see Heaven and its doings... I see this life as a REFLECTION of what is truly REAL... The SPIRITUAL is not defined by the PHYSICAL, it is the other way around... GOD is SPIRIT... and that which is TRULY REAL, is SPIRITUAL... for it emanates from Him...
Because, we're just going to be swallowed up by Him. But not swallowed up in the sense that we cease to be.
Again, a quick interruption... Does the HEART "cease to BE" because it is a single MEMBER of a MULTIPLE MEMBER entity? How about the EYE?
"BEING" is not set upon the PHYSICAL... truely "BEING" is the gathering together of ALL THINGS... Just as the BODY is truly MAGNIFICENT, because it's workings, are the various MEMBERS within UNITY...
Then I look back on that "morphed into God, as a God-blob" and think... "eh! are you kidding me?!!! That is such a dim, colorless view!" Eye has not seen!!!! The picture in my mind, that just seems to grow more colorful and more majestic and just breathtaking, is a real, tangible reality.
Keep in mind, like I said, I have my own views/thoughts/beliefs on this subject, but I DO like to know where others are coming from. When I feel I don't KNOW where someone is coming from regarding a topic I find to be vital, I have to find out what the other person is really truly saying.
There is nothing with having a perception... If you percieve FLOWERS and HONEY and SUMMERTIME, with everyone as INDIVIDUALS as Heaven, then I do not see anything wrong with that... I can only prophesy that it is MUCH MORE than that... for as you just SAID: EYE
(one member) hath not seen, nor EAR
(another member) heard... for that matter, MOUTH
has not tasted, HAND
has not musically played, or painted, or TEETH
have not chewed, or LEG
have not walked, NOSE
has not smelled ---
I think you get the picture!