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Offline shawn

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Parable of workers in the vineyard
« on: September 06, 2011, 04:31:37 AM »
I have always been told this parable is about people or groups of people who are saved later still sharing in the same rewards.  I was reading this to my children and it hit me that I am missing something here.  That explanation seems very flat to me.

For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way. Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive. So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first. And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Matthew 20:116, King James Version

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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2011, 04:38:40 AM »
Mat 22:14  for many are called, and few chosen.'   :HeartThrob: :bigGrin:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2011, 09:39:01 AM »
I have always been told this parable is about people or groups of people who are saved later still sharing in the same rewards. 

That's what I've come to believe.  Maybe I'm missing something too.   :Chinscratch:

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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2011, 09:43:51 AM »
A writer at gracethroughtruth.com says;

Many who perceive themselves as deserving of superior rewards based solely on their hard work or length of service will discover that the Lord's criteria for such rewards is far different from their own. They will learn the meaning of His phrase, "the last will be first, and the first will be last." (vs. 30) It's the motive of our heart while serving Him that matters, not the duration or outcome of our effort. (1 Cor 3:10-15)

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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2011, 11:27:11 AM »
Will the labourers also be hired after the working day (death).
That is if one sees life as one working day.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2011, 03:32:46 AM »
   He may not pay them a wage...but He will give them a free gift...

    think about the prodigal....he squandered his life on riotous living...he was no benefit to the Father,didn't work for him,herd his sheep etc..

   Received his share and blew it.......the elder son faithfully worked for his Father[very responsible]   Elder son felt the Father had definitely put

   the prodigal first!

   some may cry,'unfair' but when you consider that no man can do anything of himself...that man's coarse and steps are ordered by God..you get a better

  picture.

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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2011, 03:56:48 AM »
Joseph was a wise servant who had to spare his food to the foolish

God rewards the sacrifices with riches in heaven.


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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2011, 06:50:43 AM »
Pro 11:2  When pride cometh, then cometh contempt, but, with the modest, is wisdom.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2011, 03:50:27 PM »
I do wonder if there is some Jew/Gentile undertones to this parable.

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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2011, 04:28:58 PM »
I do wonder if there is some Jew/Gentile undertones to this parable.
It can be read as such but I'm not sure that's the meaning of the parable.

One view is that the Jewish workmen worked all day and the Gentile workmen arrived much later.
The other view is the more orthodox view: Repent 1 second before death and be saved.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2011, 11:11:45 PM »
Pro 11:2  When pride cometh, then cometh contempt, but, with the modest, is wisdom.

Where is the pride in expectation?

The Lord promised riches in heaven, whether one is meek as a lamb or as proud as a lion.


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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2011, 11:49:19 PM »
Pro 11:2  When pride cometh, then cometh contempt, but, with the modest, is wisdom.

Where is the pride in expectation?

The Lord promised riches in heaven, whether one is meek as a lamb or as proud as a lion.

Perhaps its just me but I read a little "pride" in the parable from those who feel somewhat cheated. The parable is not about "promised riches in heaven," I pray that you will see, MANY are CALLED, but FEW are CHOSEN.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2011, 02:11:36 AM »
 :bigGrin: But the workers who complained and were a little prideful were chosen

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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2011, 03:19:42 AM »
 :laughing7: :laughing7: :laughing7: No, they were called :happygrin:
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2011, 11:36:38 PM »
Hey Shawn, Just a couple things to throw out here for your consideration.

For the kingdom of heaven is like

When I was in elementary school we had what the teacher would call our "thinking caps".  I'm sure I'm not the only one that heard that expression. And I may just have to change my name to "redundant" but for me, whenever I see "The kingdom of heaven is like . . ." I see it to be saying "now, in order for you to hear what I'm about to say, you need to TAKE YOUR THINKING CAP OFF . . ."  Everything in the spirit is opposite from what we think in the flesh.  so with my rational thinking laid aside, what's the spirit saying to my heart?

unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard. And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace, And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.

Again, "in" the kingdom, what is right is not what is reasonable.  it's what is "righteous".  The penny at the end of the day wasn't a gift to those who agreed to work for a penny, it was an earned wage.  But to those that followed, the penny was a gift because they didn't work the full day to earn the full penny.  Rather than complain about how much "more" we think we earned the penny, should we not instead rejoice in the fact that pennies were afforded to everyone in the vineyard?

Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise. And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle? They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive. So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.

This is what really pops out at me . . .beginning from the last unto the first.  "That" is the governing principle of the kingdom.  The last shall be first and the first shall be last.  According to rational reason, the ones who came in last and now are first should be given much less than those who were first but now are last.  But that was never the agreement.  The agreement was that they'd be given what's "right".  Kingdom truth isn't about the measuring of what's diserved, but instead, it's about experiencing "rightness".  Not "proving" right versus wrong, but "experiencing" rightness.  That's exactly what spiritual truth does "in" us.  These guys were all standing around "idle" until they were found by the owner to come and work in his vineyard.  Spiritual idleness.  They may have left their idle actions, but they still carried with them their idle mentality.

And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny. But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day. But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny? Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee. Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good? So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.

Originally, the agreement for how much they would earn was based on the personal logic of those who were there early on.  But then "they" changed their perception because of what they saw others receiving.  It wasn't based on "rightness" it was based on "reason".  "The kingdom of God" is not based on reason, it's based on "rightness". 

I believe the reason why many are called but only a few are chosen is not because the few chosen are better workers or more effecient individuals.  I beleive it's because "out" of all who are "called" only a "few" walk in the "rightness" whereas all others walk in reason.  Walking in rightness enables you to be chosen to fulfill the call.  Walking in reason only creates confrontation to those who feel they "deserve" to be called.

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Re: Parable of workers in the vineyard
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2011, 11:50:01 PM »
That's an interesting take Nathan.  I need to let that sink in a bit before I comment further.