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Re: need to be right
« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2007, 07:55:57 AM »
A friend of mine once told me very early in my walk, I cannot remember the question but it is relevant to this.

He took a napkin and said, pointing to a salt cellar, this is you, and the napkin this is Jesus.

He said, we think, when God looks at us, He sees the salt cellar, then he placed the napkin over the salt cellar and continued, "When in fact, He looks at us and all He sees is His Son Jesus"

He was Pentecostal, but not a radical.  The story has merit.  We know that "Love covers a multitude of sins" and while we strive to do whatever we think makes a difference to salvation, all sin is covered by Jesus.

Many may just leave it there and be happy that sin is taken care of.  However we are told we are to press into.  Into what?

Well the napkin of course.

Jesus nor God change by what we do.  If any change takes place, it is in us.

Obtaining the prize is the goal and like I have said many times, the asking, seeking, and knocking is our responsibility.  Having more of Christ manifest is us and taking the analogy, the salt cellar and napkin become one.

From the onset, the napkin was always there, becoming like the napkin is the goal.

Draw near to Me and I shall draw near to thee, co-responsibility.  The more earnest we we do the ask, knock and seek things the more the napkin (Christ) becomes manifest in us.

When we are lazy, we remain a salt pot.

When we a diligent, putting away the things of the flesh, pressing in towards the goal, the more we do it, the more we become the napkin.  Ultimately, in this life or the next, we become the napkin or rather, the salt cellar no longer exists, an we are totally enveloped in Christ and God becomes All in all.

This leads me to talk of sin.

Jesus says, "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive them that trespass against us"

Knowing now our sin is taken care of, why then ask for forgiveness?  Well it is simple, with sin, and rightly so, comes the burden of guilt.  We are either convicted by the Holy Spirit of our error, and the burden remains.  Asking for forgiveness given already therefore is us in essence removing from us the burden of guilt.  While we are in guilt, we place our self in bondage, and the devil, the accuser, can come in and say "I told you so" or "you are not good enough because".  When the burden of guilt is removed, that guilt is removed, not the sin as the sin is already dealt with by the Cross.

When trespasses exist by one to another, we suffer the same burden, either hurt, or pride.

We are told that if a brother has a grudge against us or has offended, we are to make the first move in forgiveness.

Mat 5:23  Therefore if you offer your gift on the altar, and there remember that your brother has anything against you,
Mat 5:24  leave your gift there before the altar and go. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
Mat 5:25  Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are in the way with him; that the opponent not deliver you to the judge, and the judge deliver you to the officer, and you be thrown into prison.
Mat 5:26  Truly I say to you, You shall by no means come out from there until you have paid the last kodrantes.

Mat 18:15  But if your brother shall trespass against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
Mat 18:16  But if he will not hear you, take one or two more with you, so that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Mat 18:17  And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he neglects to hear the church, let him be to you as a heathen and a tax-collector.
Mat 18:18  Truly I say to you, Whatever you shall bind on earth shall occur, having been bound in Heaven; and whatever you shall loose on earth shall occur, having been loosed in Heaven.

The persistence is self evident and clearly shows how we are to deal with others.

Once we have dealt with the matter and reconciled, we close the door to satan so that he can neither place guilt or pride on either party.

The Lord's prayer carries on:

Mat 6:13  And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil....

God leads no one into temptation as He tempts no man.  Staying with the theme, the way I see it, once the forgiving takes place, we ask for His help so that we do not repeat out trespass, lead us not into temptation can be translated to keep us out of this trap and then deliver us from evil makes sense.

While we hold offence/trespass or it is held against us this happens:

Mat 18:18  Truly I say to you, Whatever you shall bind on earth shall occur, having been bound in Heaven; and whatever you shall loose on earth shall occur, having been loosed in Heaven.

So it stands to reason, while these interplay, trespasses exist between people, places us in the bondage of the evil one, we loose it by forgiveness/repentance or we bind it by the lack thereof.  Heaven here can rightly be seen as our heart/minds and the earth the deeds of the flesh (sin)

The traditionals will teach binding and loosing of demons even other people with the add-on in the name of Jesus wada wada wada.  No that is not what it is about.

When a brother refuses to forgive after being approached by witnesses and and the church, then it says:

But if he neglects to hear the church, let him be to you as a heathen and a tax-collector.

You are loosed of the burden of guilt/pride and the non-reciprocating brother heap upon themselves "judgement" and leave the door open for further condemnation.

God deals with such a person in time.  A hardened heart reaps its consequences eventually, even though the sin is taken care of already.

Mat 10:29  Are not two sparrows sold for an assarion? And one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
Mat 10:30  But even the hairs of your head are all numbered.
Mat 10:31  Therefore do not fear, you are of more value than many sparrows.

The hardened heart, only God can change.

This again shows the consequences of sin we have to deal with and like Jesus', we are to cover the trespass and sin with Love.

These are the small things of being right, it is not about self piety, self righteousness and it goes in line with:

1Co 13:4  Love waits patiently; it acts kindly. Love does not envy [or, is not jealous]; love does not boast; it does not become haughty.
1Co 13:5  It does not behave disgracefully; it does not seek its own [things]; it is not provoked [or, irritated]; it does not keep a record of evil.
1Co 13:6  It does not rejoice over unrighteousness, but it rejoices with the truth.
1Co 13:7  It puts up with all [things], believes all, hopes [or, confidently expects] all, endures all.
1Co 13:8a Love never fails

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Re: need to be right
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2007, 02:05:36 AM »
Craig,
I appreciate your post.  The reason I bring it up in my life is because I need constant reminding.  My own inner condemner and the crap I learned in church needs to be continuously washed in the most rudimenary understanding...radical acceptance.  I'm hoping to live in that confidence to where I don't need constant washing, and that I guess is part of the 'perfecting' process.  I hope God has bigger things for me once I fully incorporate His love in my life.
Giz

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Re: need to be right
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2007, 02:08:01 AM »
Seeker,
I like your quote of 1Cor.  It reminds me of what I call the Divine Syllogism that goes something like this: God is love.  Love is patient, kind, keeps no record of wrong.  Therefore, God is patient, kind and keeps no record of wrong.  The fundies haven't figured out that God keeps no record of wrong for ANYONE!
Giz

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Re: need to be right
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2007, 02:56:53 AM »
Craig,
I appreciate your post.  The reason I bring it up in my life is because I need constant reminding.  My own inner condemner and the crap I learned in church needs to be continuously washed in the most rudimenary understanding...radical acceptance.  I'm hoping to live in that confidence to where I don't need constant washing, and that I guess is part of the 'perfecting' process.  I hope God has bigger things for me once I fully incorporate His love in my life.
Giz

Amen :) No problem man! I always like praising the Lord to encourage a brother! Jesus is our savior! :D