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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2014, 08:50:18 PM »
  well,  He trampled the winepress alone.....and there was blood up to the brid-els of His

  horses........Christ grape[red-blood-wine of atonement] on their lips.

.....we 'MUST" be wine-bibbers,too!

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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2014, 09:15:55 PM »
for those curious (as was I, because I did a lot of research over the past several days) here ya go

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=93533
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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2014, 10:39:28 PM »
Good research Jabcat. Many thanks.

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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2014, 11:01:19 PM »
 thank you  :handshake:
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2014, 01:36:30 AM »
for those curious (as was I, because I did a lot of research over the past several days) here ya go

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=93533

Fifteen pages of fun.   :winkgrin:

Thanks. :smile:









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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2014, 04:38:11 AM »
Well that's a dance that only has three steps methinks.

Be cryptic
Be unresponsive
Get banned :o)
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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #31 on: May 27, 2014, 04:51:47 AM »
...boy o' boy.....I had google searched the name he used on this forum and seen where he just

recently joined a cathlic forum....but wow Jab.. those ..15 pages !

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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #32 on: May 27, 2014, 04:52:00 AM »
for those curious (as was I, because I did a lot of research over the past several days) here ya go

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=93533

Fifteen pages of fun.   :winkgrin:

Thanks. :smile:


Well that's a dance that only has three steps methinks.

Be cryptic
Be unresponsive
Get banned :o)

interesting, sad, intriguing...at some point, pointless? 
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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #33 on: May 27, 2014, 05:23:37 AM »
Meant to be scary and intimidating, but as you said, really just sad,
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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #34 on: May 27, 2014, 05:59:43 AM »
 :cloud9: I made it to page 4 and tuned out. Sad.  :sigh:
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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #35 on: May 27, 2014, 06:52:44 AM »
I didn't know the guy personally, but I'd wager to guess that this attitude comes from rejection. I've known people personally with that kind of attitude and it tends from wanting to feel chosen of God to feel more needed. Some people tend to use the Scriptures this way because unlike science, there is no peer review for making yourself a prophet in your own esteem. Again, in all fairness, his story might be completely different, but what I saw over the past few days made me sad because it so closely mirrors what I personally have seen. I think Stephen has been seriously hurt in life.


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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #36 on: May 27, 2014, 07:20:08 AM »
The problem with that is, the enemy lodges in the breach caused by the wound, and out of that festering bitterness a spirit is emitted that defiles many, including the one in whom it is lodged. Anger is a dangerous weapon in the hands of a person who sees everyone as a target for their "special message". This something I have seen myself, in myself, and it took the Lord may years and many trials to open my eyes to it.  I think in my case it was even more difficult because it was less pronounced and more sophisticated in presentation.

Humility is such a repairer of the breach, and a sure defense against the intrusion of spirits and legalistic or prophecy based deceptions..... but it is hard to come by.

"A haughty spirit goes before a fall"

The only way to get set free from that kind of thing is kolassis. Walking into walls and tripping over logs nd wandering in fogs :o) A sure prescription for deliverance from the healer of our souls and the mender of our ways.

"Humble yourselves under the mighty hand of God and in the proper season He will lift you up"

"Let patience have its perfect work that you may be mature and complete, lacking nothing"

"Cease striving and know that I am God"
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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #37 on: May 27, 2014, 07:25:36 AM »
I agree. I think the Baptist forum let that go on 13-14 pages too long. It's good to have compassion but equally good to preserve order. Paul taught the churches not to tolerate nonsense.

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« Reply #38 on: May 27, 2014, 09:36:08 AM »
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« Reply #39 on: May 27, 2014, 10:05:10 AM »
Also interesting that the summation of all the law is love.
Romans 13;9  "The commandments are summed up by this; love your neighbor as yourself."
All those posts of Stephen supposedly pointing to the law seem to show immaturity of growth; probably not his time to know yet.
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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #40 on: May 27, 2014, 06:01:21 PM »
What I find so sad is that most of the postings on any given message board that get the most postings seem to be those engaged in some sort of disagreement, or argument, or, in this case, someone who is esoteric, and not engaging others in equal to equal dialogue. I find it not surprising that he was able to engage others in his game for some 15 pages. It is much more normal than not. It reminds me of my earlier days when I absolutely loved to argue back and forth (coming from my stint as one of Jehovah's witnesses, in the Worldwide Church of God, etc). Father has since stripped me of my ability to argue like this.

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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2014, 06:49:22 PM »
And without arguing it's just making statements which are viewed as teaching. That's not allowed either...
Learning comes only by:
- Listening to a teacher --> teachers are forbidden on TM
- Arguing ---> Forbidden on TM
- Self-study ---> No forum needed for that.

Arguing is a great way of learning. What I was missing in Levi's posts is that he never really answered any questions. But unfortunately that's quite common on this forum because the threads go off-topic very often in a very early stage.

Levi could have handled things differently but likewise could those who answered him. Take for example, Levi's view about following commandments. Very Scriptual. But such statements are illegal teaching while an misused/misunderstood verse like 'love is the greatest commandment of all" are suddenly wise and not teaching? Sorry to say I call that double standards and hiding from actually learning something new.... :sigh:

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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #42 on: May 27, 2014, 07:59:48 PM »
Levi could have handled things differently but likewise could those who answered him. Take for example, Levi's view about following commandments. Very Scriptual. But such statements are illegal teaching while an misused/misunderstood verse like 'love is the greatest commandment of all" are suddenly wise and not teaching? Sorry to say I call that double standards and hiding from actually learning something new.... :sigh:

I really did want him to present an argument.

I started typing a reply several times but realized it was all just my ego, and hit the refresh button and waited for his teaching to form................................My guess is that he does not have a doctrine to stand on.

I may be wrong.

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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #43 on: May 27, 2014, 09:30:30 PM »
Levi could have handled things differently but likewise could those who answered him. Take for example, Levi's view about following commandments. Very Scriptual. But such statements are illegal teaching while an misused/misunderstood verse like 'love is the greatest commandment of all" are suddenly wise and not teaching? Sorry to say I call that double standards and hiding from actually learning something new.... :sigh:

I really did want him to present an argument.

I started typing a reply several times but realized it was all just my ego, and hit the refresh button and waited for his teaching to form................................My guess is that he does not have a doctrine to stand on.

I may be wrong.

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Everyone is entitled to there opinion. Hwever, we as moderators(thanks to James) had additional information that he was spamming other sites in a similar fashion, stirring up strife, declaring himself a unique spiritual authority- and NEVER presenting any other additional discussion to his declarations and questions.

If he had wanted to dispute or clarify my responses to his posts, he had ample opportunity to do so and refused. He was also communicated with, pleasantly and repeatedly in PMs and E-mails explaining how the forum works and inviting him to participate in an appropriate way. He did not respond to ANY of those invitations.

By the time he was banned, he was implying that God was going to discipline anyone who did not follow his agenda. He seemed to think that reasonable resistance to an authoritarian approach were insults to his standing in the kingdom of God.

These kinds of behavior are not welcome, and long-running history has proven that these types of characters never integrate for fellowship, sharing and discussion on the boards- they continue to press there exclusive agenda until disorder and strife runs rampant.

Levi could have handled things differently, but he didn'.t choose to despite being provided plenty of opportunity. Perhaps we s moderataors could have handled things in some better way, but honestly, I don't think it would have made ANY difference to Stephen Levi.

Please remember, the purpose of the board is to provide fellowship for seekers and believers in the salvation of all through Jesus Christ. I myself hold views on peripheral subjects, that were I to press them as issues here, would detract from that purpose and could lead to lengthy heated debates. There are other sites for that though.

That is neither the purpose of nor the mode of operation of the site owner or Tentmaker in general.

I for one was definitely getting frustrated with his act, but I was also having more interaction with him than might hav been apparent on the threads. If I hav offended anyone in my personal responses to him on the threads, I am sorry for that, but I feel we gave him MORE THAN ENOUGH opportunity to come clean and present his case.
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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #44 on: May 28, 2014, 12:06:32 AM »
Provocative posts  that only provoke.
Leave a bad taste.

True or False?

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« Reply #45 on: May 28, 2014, 12:20:52 AM »
Levi could have handled things differently but likewise could those who answered him. Take for example, Levi's view about following commandments. Very Scriptual. But such statements are illegal teaching while an misused/misunderstood verse like 'love is the greatest commandment of all" are suddenly wise and not teaching? Sorry to say I call that double standards and hiding from actually learning something new.... :sigh:

I really did want him to present an argument.

My guess is that he does not have a doctrine to stand on.

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spamming other sites in a similar fashion, stirring up strife, declaring himself a unique spiritual authority- and NEVER presenting any other additional discussion to his declarations and questions.

If he had wanted to dispute or clarify my responses to his posts, he had ample opportunity to do so and refused. He was also communicated with, pleasantly and repeatedly in PMs and E-mails explaining how the forum works and inviting him to participate in an appropriate way. He did not respond to ANY of those invitations.

By the time he was banned, he was implying that God was going to discipline anyone who did not follow his agenda. He seemed to think that reasonable resistance to an authoritarian approach were insults to his standing in the kingdom of God.

These kinds of behavior are not welcome, and long-running history has proven that these types of characters never integrate for fellowship, sharing and discussion on the boards- they continue to press there exclusive agenda until disorder and strife runs rampant.

I was also having more interaction with him than might hav been apparent on the threads. If I hav offended anyone in my personal responses to him on the threads, I am sorry for that, but I feel we gave him MORE THAN ENOUGH opportunity to come clean and present his case.

What I find so sad is that most of the postings on any given message board that get the most postings seem to be those engaged in some sort of disagreement, or argument, or, in this case, someone who is esoteric, and not engaging others in equal to equal dialogue. I find it not surprising that he was able to engage others in his game for some 15 pages. It is much more normal than not. It reminds me of my earlier days when I absolutely loved to argue back and forth (coming from my stint as one of Jehovah's witnesses, in the Worldwide Church of God, etc). Father has since stripped me of my ability to argue like this.Ronen


 I think Ronen is right - if we wanted an argument, getting people "involved" [i.e., swatting at a hornet's next] emotions stirred up, then yes, this was an opportunity.  IMO, arguing is not of the fruit of the Spirit.  It is not based in peace and joy - instead, sows dischord.   I believe we need to learn in other ways.

Having discernment and setting limits doesn't have to include anger, unkindness, etc.  It can be done with gentleness and prayer, and with good hopes for the one on whom limits have been set.  To me that should always be my/our goal.

There are many things that go on that are not obviously apparent (PM's, attempts at decision and reconciliation).  Whatever is done will not please everyone.  On one side, there may be those saying "give it a chance, I want to see what he/she has to say".  However, on the other side, there may be just as vocal or more so, opposition, saying "why is he/she still here, it's hurting the boards, I'm leaving unless they do"...  SO..that's why moderation decisions are not a matter of public argument and criticism.  If that were not the case, then different factions (or those with varying wishes) can just fight it out in public, nobody budging, feelings hurt, anger rising, and chaos ensues.  Before long it can just become an unproductive, unfruitful setting and then NO ONE is benefiting.   

I hope that is sufficient or at least acceptable to most involved.  IF there's something actually focused on the thread title "The Commandments of Jesus Christ" we can still discuss it here.  I think there's some interest in it, i.e., the Law, the cross, Jesus' words before the cross in the age of Law, His words after the cross (including through Paul, Peter, John, etc.)... So we'll leave it open a bit to see if there's any relevant discussion of the issue?  Thanks, God bless.





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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #46 on: May 28, 2014, 12:56:05 AM »
Provocative posts  that only provoke.
Leave a bad taste.

True or False?

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If Christ is the WORD of God and what He says to us (personally) is the WORD of God... if we love what He is speaking to us of course we are going to obey it. It is the outward manifestation or testimony of what is in us (loving Christ, the Word of God). :)
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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #47 on: May 28, 2014, 12:57:59 AM »
 :cloud9: Just so everyone knows, it's always a unanimous decision to ban members, and it ONLY comes after repeated behind the scenes attempts in a variety of methods and personal encouragement styles, trying to get the person to adhere to the rules of the forum and understand why they must be in place. These are the things you DON'T see going on, so it may appear heavy-handed to others not privy to what is actually happening, but nothing could be farther from the truth.

A REASONABLE person would respond reasonably and adjust their attitudes accordingly. No one is interested in running off new members, quite the opposite, in fact. But a reticence or outright refusal of a new member to adjust either the forbidden content (such as New Age beliefs or the invalidation of the scriptures) or the confrontational attitude of their posts, shows a marked UN-reasonableness that is only going to lead to more strife down the road, as the past has shown us.

Tentmaker is one of the few, if not the only, boards where strife is kept to a minimum. For those of us that have been around for a few years, I think we would all agree that the relative peace we have on here now, is a blessing not to be found just anywhere on the net. My  :2c: Blessings....
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Re: The Commandments of Jesus Christ
« Reply #48 on: May 28, 2014, 03:16:10 AM »
And without arguing it's just making statements which are viewed as teaching. That's not allowed either...
Learning comes only by:
- Listening to a teacher --> teachers are forbidden on TM
- Arguing ---> Forbidden on TM
- Self-study ---> No forum needed for that.

Arguing is a great way of learning. What I was missing in Levi's posts is that he never really answered any questions. But unfortunately that's quite common on this forum because the threads go off-topic very often in a very early stage.

Levi could have handled things differently but likewise could those who answered him. Take for example, Levi's view about following commandments. Very Scriptual. But such statements are illegal teaching while an misused/misunderstood verse like 'love is the greatest commandment of all" are suddenly wise and not teaching? Sorry to say I call that double standards and hiding from actually learning something new.... :sigh:

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Discernment is an issue here. That may be unfortunate in a way, because it is not black and white. It was clear to me right away that he had no intention to discuss. Arguing is not forbidden on TM if by that you mean discussion or even debate in a reasonable tone. "Teaching" is something we all do as we share our views, but "teaching" from an exalted "I'm in the know, my position is the correct one" attitude is not allowed for long because it always ends up involving judging and personal attacks. This because love, the supreme teacher, does not need that extra emphasis from the flesh.

True teaching just breaks bread and if it multiplies, gives the glory to God.

Strife in the soulish realm does not do that.

Certainly adding the "and if you don't receive me and my words Father will get after you" is absolutely what James called it, earthly, sensual(psuche-soulical or psychological)- even at times demonic. This was the real issue with Stephen, and it is the reason he would not "come out" unless someone took his bait :o)

I for one believe there was a general sense that this was the case, because no one did take his bait.

IMO Learning comes much more through fellowship and the resulting grace that flows from member to member in a generous and patient discussion or midrash than from listening to "teachers".

True teachers, within the context of the Body, will teach in a humble and patient manner, as paul instructed Timothy, "The servant of the Lord must not strive(add soul power to force submission/acceptance), but be gentle to al, patiently instructing them...."

This teaching Paul and James give about teaching is just as foundational doctrinally as anything else we are trying to learn about the kingdom, and certainly more foundational than the doctrines and facts and systematic theologies people get excited about because.........

These are His ways. He was among them as a Lamb. He only roared when the Lion rose up- rarely- and if we are going to roar we better be sure it is the Lamb roaring through us, otherwise we will stumble over the stumbling stone.

The forum is as much about fellowship as it is about facts- more so really. For believers who come here, tentative, threatened by their theological pasts, looking for a safe place to ask the questions that most of us struggled through over longer periods fr lack of such fellowship- minimizing weirdness and dominion driven agendas is very important.

Stephen was looking to dominate. That's the real reason he is gone.
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« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2014, 03:30:50 AM »
I honestly have not discussed this thread (or anything else) with any of the other mods today, but I think I'm going to go ahead and lock it for now...if anyone has any compelling reason to leave it open so they can discuss "The Commandments of Jesus Christ" please PM and let me/us know...or, if there are more issues to discuss regarding moderation, also PM.  Thanks, James.
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