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Is God God?
« on: August 04, 2011, 05:32:10 AM »
Is the present world with all its chaos, troubles, morality of the mankind, calamities, and sorrows... in the plan of The Creator...or is the world being controlled or lead by  some other force?
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Is God God?
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2011, 05:50:55 AM »
It is currently controlled by the god of this world, present company excepted.

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« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2011, 06:25:07 AM »
O!
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Is God God?
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2011, 06:28:42 AM »




"Have you considered my servant Job?             <——— Appears God is in control.

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« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2011, 07:12:53 AM »
Is the present world with all its chaos, troubles, morality of the mankind, calamities, and sorrows... in the plan of The Creator...or is the world being controlled or lead by  some other force?

I'd suggest satan is a tool to serve YHWH's purposes - that he must either a) ask permission, b) be told what to do, and/or c) allowed to do whatever he does.  All to fulfill God's plan for mankind to have an experience of evil, and return to the Father whole and better for it.   :2c:
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2011, 07:16:16 AM »
Is the present world with all its chaos, troubles, morality of the mankind, calamities, and sorrows... in the plan of The Creator...or is the world being controlled or lead by  some other force?

I'd suggest satan is a tool to serve YHWH's purposes - that he must either a) ask permission, b) be told what to do, and/or c) allowed to do whatever he does.  All to fulfill God's plan for mankind to have an experience of evil, and return to the Father whole and better for it.   :2c:

"allowed to do whatever he does." Used. Amen.
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Re: Is God God?
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2011, 07:13:22 PM »
It is currently controlled by the god of this world, present company excepted.

I think some suffering, diseases, disasters etc are caused by God, to chastize and punish.

Difficult to know what is going on with God at times. I think it's a matter of revelation. Often I have gone through suffering and I have blamed myself or the devil, but I have received revelation that the matter was by Gods hand, for some unknown reason.


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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2011, 09:07:58 AM »
It is currently controlled by the god of this world, present company excepted.

That is an untruth. Isa 45:7 Former of light and Creator of darkness, Maker of good and Creator of evil. I, Yahweh Elohim, made all of these things."


When did Jehovah give up His authority? When did the I AM put the god of this world  in control? Or has the I AM allowed the adversary to think he is in control? Myself for one does not accept that lie. JESUS LIVES and that being true, He and He alone is the Master of ALL HIS CREATION.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2011, 09:21:06 AM »
micah, you bringing this back up and, uh, questioning it   :winkgrin:   helped me, I think, to see this a little more clearly.  I've struggled with this for awhile, because although I do believe God is in control, the scripture does say things like "the god of this world has blinded them", etc.   So it could be assumed he is in control.  But thinking through this tonight, I realize it's possible for something to be a [false] god - to be worshiped, esteemed, followed, and can even have some influence - without that god still actually being in control.   (also, apparently an accurate translation is 'age' rather than 'world').   So that does fit better with my main belief on this, that satan is a tool of God, used by Him to accomplish His purposes, that he can do nothing without permission, etc.    Hmmm...
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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2011, 09:36:06 AM »
I consider your answer and response excellent. :bigGrin: :thumbsup:
Should the Father have given any of His Glory and power to a facet of His Nature that He brought forth for His purpose, and have the power to undermine any of His authority, I would no longer be unable to carry my cross.
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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2011, 09:38:24 AM »
 :dsunny:

The earth is the LORD's and the fullness thereof.  Psalm 24:1
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2011, 09:44:40 AM »
Amen!
And just where do all of you find these fine little icons of happy and sometimes doubt and other things of humor? You know like your sunshine face.
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2011, 09:48:29 AM »
where you see the one row of emoticons (icons) just click on the [more] under the very first one (the little girl drawing a heart) and it'll bring up a bunch of goodies.  :)
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: Is God God?
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2011, 10:24:12 PM »
It is currently controlled by the god of this world, present company excepted.

I think some suffering, diseases, disasters etc are caused by God, to chastize and punish.

Difficult to know what is going on with God at times. I think it's a matter of revelation. Often I have gone through suffering and I have blamed myself or the devil, but I have received revelation that the matter was by Gods hand, for some unknown reason.

I agree in principle with this view. I look at Israel, and when they were unfaithful they would first receive pillagers on their borders. If they persisted they would recive plunderers in their cities, if they continued in idolatry they would be besieged, even unto Jerusalem, then finally, they would be taken captive-removed from the inheritance.

"Except you repent I will cast you with her upon a bed of tribulation"...... a warning to the churh in the early chapters of Revelation.
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Re: Is God God?
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2011, 10:31:12 PM »
Is the present world with all its chaos, troubles, morality of the mankind, calamities, and sorrows... in the plan of The Creator...or is the world being controlled or lead by  some other force?

I'd suggest satan is a tool to serve YHWH's purposes - that he must either a) ask permission, b) be told what to do, and/or c) allowed to do whatever he does.  All to fulfill God's plan for mankind to have an experience of evil, and return to the Father whole and better for it.   :2c:

I agree, and even when he doesn t ask permission, all things work together for good to those who love God and are called according to His purpose. ;o)

6 One day the angels[a sons of God] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan[b adversary] also came with them. 7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?"
   Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it."

The end of Job's test was a deeper knowledge of the Holy One

 1 Peter 5:8
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8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.



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Re: Is God God?
« Reply #15 on: August 06, 2011, 10:33:50 PM »
Is the present world with all its chaos, troubles, morality of the mankind, calamities, and sorrows... in the plan of The Creator...or is the world being controlled or lead by  some other force?

I'd suggest satan is a tool to serve YHWH's purposes - that he must either a) ask permission, b) be told what to do, and/or c) allowed to do whatever he does.  All to fulfill God's plan for mankind to have an experience of evil, and return to the Father whole and better for it.   :2c:

I agree, and even when he doesn t ask permission, all things work together for good to those who love God and are called according to His purpose. ;o)

6 One day the angels[a sons of God] came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan[b adversary] also came with them. 7 The LORD said to Satan, "Where have you come from?"
   Satan answered the LORD, "From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it."

The end of Job's test was a deeper knowledge of the Holy One

 1 Peter 5:8
New International Version (NIV)

8 Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

 In all this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials. 7 These have come so that the proven genuineness of your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him; and even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and are filled with an inexpressible and glorious joy, 9 for you are receiving the end result of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
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Re: Is God God?
« Reply #16 on: August 06, 2011, 10:51:57 PM »


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« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2011, 06:13:29 AM »
god  H430  אלהים  'ĕlôhı̂ym  Plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates; and sometimes as a superlative: - angels, X exceeding, God (gods) (-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.

H433  'ĕlôahh  'ĕlôahh (The second form is rare); probably prolonged (emphatically) from H410; a deity or the deity: - God, god. See H430.

H410 'êl   strength; as adjective mighty; especially the Almighty (but used also of any deity): - God (god), X goodly, X great, idol, might (-y one), power, strong. Compare names in "-el."

dagon H1712 dâgôn the fish god; Dagon, a Philistine deity: - Dagon.

Gen 35:2  And Jacob saith unto his household, and unto all who are with him, `Turn aside the gods of the stranger which are in your midst, and cleanse yourselves, and change your garments;
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2011, 06:28:17 AM »

Turn aside the gods of the stranger which are in your midst, and cleanse yourselves, and change your garments


beautiful verse.

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« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2011, 08:10:58 AM »

Turn aside the gods of the stranger which are in your midst, and cleanse yourselves, and change your garments


beautiful verse.

Yes it is! :dsunny:
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« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2011, 09:45:46 AM »
I am not really smart when it comes to arithmetic at all, but I do know that ONE is ONE and not two or three.

Deu 6:4  `Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;

One H259 'echâd  A numeral from H258; properly united, that is, one; or (as an ordinal) first: - a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any (-thing), apiece, a certain [dai-] ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
H258 'âchad  Perhaps a primitive root; to unify, that is, (figuratively) collect (one's thoughts): - go one way or other.Peace 
G1515  eirēnē (to join); peace (literally or figuratively); by implication prosperity: - one, peace, quietness, rest, + set at one again.

Joh 10:30 I and the Father are one.'


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« Reply #21 on: August 08, 2011, 02:52:53 AM »
I thought we all looked at God from different percpectives and all were perhaps correct as far as we know.

But I have a question that has rolled around in my mind ever sense I real a short story by Mark Twain, I believe was titled
"The Stranger" about a quiet man who came to a northern church and spoke about the war (our Civil war or The War between the States) others can be compared, but this was in our country, brothers fighting brothers, and the quiet mans one main question was, on which side was God on? The North or the South. For they all had gathered to pray for their sides victory.
It may be a elementary question, but I find it quiet deep a thought.

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« Reply #22 on: August 08, 2011, 04:06:15 AM »
 Find it  quite a deep thought....me too.

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« Reply #23 on: August 08, 2011, 08:48:57 AM »
I am not really smart when it comes to arithmetic at all, but I do know that ONE is ONE and not two or three.
Yes one. But the real question is one of what? 1 person? 1 football team? 1 army? 1 universe? 1 mind?
The word one can only be understood by context. And often can't be used to prove the conext. (would be circular reasoning)
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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« Reply #24 on: August 08, 2011, 09:26:48 AM »

Yes one. But the real question is one of what? 1 person? 1 football team? 1 army? 1 universe? 1 mind?
The word one can only be understood by context. And often can't be used to prove the conext. (would be circular reasoning)


Oh yeah, regarding context.  In my opinion, context makes it clear that it means functioning  as one - in unison, in total agreement.  Here's a contextual verse that I believe supports that.

Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.  Jn 17:11

1)  I don't believe Jesus was praying to Himself, He was praying to His Father, 2) Jesus said in His prayer that His Father gave Him His name, not that He gave it to Himself, and 3) He states He wishes "they" [multiple] believers would be "one", even as He and His Father are "one".     So again, I understand this as "function", not "form".   
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Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23