willieH: Hi Ninja...
I will try my best not to enjoin an argument between "free will" and "sovereignty", as it has been hashed out several times here, with no resolve, as well as has been deemed a taboo by TM as a subject of discussion.
However, you have mentioned some scenarios below (rape, murder, abuse, etc.), that deserve a revealing commentary... as well as a statement which has not been introduced before (to my knowledge) in any other discussion, SUCH AS this:WE
are the LIVING KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL, as KNOWN in the HEART of YHVH
... I will briefly explain below...
does that mean he wills for things like rape, murder, abuse, etc? I understand that God ultimately uses the results of these things for a "greater good" but is it safe to say that those specific atrocicites are his will, his desire? Im never sure how to answer this when it comes up, because in order to believe in Gods absolute sovereignty it would seem that to be the case.
Not to get into the "Sovereignty" issue... there are observations that easily identify it in Scripture, to be so...(1) ALL POWER
(no matter how it is used or observed) is of GOD -- Rom 13:1(2)
GOD works ALL THINGS
-- Eph 1:11(3) In HIM
do ALL THINGS take place -- Acts 17:28
Let me begin with a "for instance" concerning the works and deeds of men that are OTHER than "good",
When a "rape" (or any other "atrocity") takes place, can you truly say that God is not affiliated in ANY way to it's manifestation? Though there are MANY observations that can be made, here are a few:(1)
To begin with He Himself, created the concept or category under which this deed ("rape") is identified [EVIL
] -- therefore it cannot BE
(in any realm), except it were a CREATED entity, which is within a CONCEPT that emerged from YHVH
beforehand that it will take place -- (3)
He is PRESENT
at its manifestation -- (4)
He brings forth BOTH
participants -- (5)
the time period in which the event is manifest -- (6)
He does NOTHING
to PREVENT IT from occuring --
A short while back, the Lord revealed to me (you are welcome to disagree) that WE and ALL that is done in the presence of YHVH
, are the LIVING KNOWLEDGE
of GOOD and EVIL, revealed and emerging from -- the heart of YHVH
, like every aspect of Him, is a LIVING
THING... and the human race (His Children) are active and LIVING
participants of the KNOWLEDGE
of G & E as it is being revealed in and through us, before ALL as an ETERNAL TESTIMONY to BOTH...
God is not an "external" element to our existence... He is WITHIN and WITHOUT as well as an active part of EVERYTHING
There is not 1 hair on our heads which He is not aware of -- there is not 1 blood cell -- not 1 thought -- not 1 deed -- Everything about the creation is ALIVE... as well as ALL MENTAL and SPIRITUAL aspects... God even notes in His WORD
that the ROCKS are able to PRAISE HIM! -- Luke 19:40 -- Habb 2:11
Does one think that one can DO
something that GOD has not decided shall be done? He DECLARED the entire course of Humanity, BEFORE it came forth! -- Isaiah 46:10 -- Rom 4:17
No offense to anyone, but how "self-centered", and arrogant is this thinking? That one would consider that he/she might DO
something that GOD is COMPLETELY disassociated from?
The desparately wicked HEART of MAN -- Jer 17:9
-- is where the doctrine of "INDEPENDENCE" comes from... it is NOT named in the WORD
, on the contrary, ...I have named THREE Scriptures above which CLEARLY DEFY it...
EVERYTHING emerges from and is replaced upon the SAME
FOUNDATION -- 1 Cor 3:11
-- there is only ONE FOUNDATION, and ALL
works (good OR evil) in Creation must be placed UPON it... that FOUNDATION being CHRIST
Men percieve themselves to "believe" as "they will"... but in the end Ninja... WE and ALL things are upon the agenda of YHVH
... and rightly so... for the ETERNAL is set upon HIS WILL... and only the TEMPORAL MIRAGE which appears in the form of "wills" which are separate from HIS, is percieved in the realm of time, and is helplessly heading back to where it emerged... to be eliminated, and to be reconciled to the ONLY WILL which actually ...IS
... that PERFECT WILL of YHVH