Author Topic: legalism or not?  (Read 2038 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline sheila

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 3575
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #25 on: January 11, 2013, 09:45:01 PM »
yep..that's it Jab!.... Myheart has never compelled me to persecute them or treat them other than kindly and

considerately....and I rejoice in the salvation of all men..from every kind of sin!!  But this GLM in  declaring

 it 'not sin' is a big fat frog doctrine[ unclean inspired expression]. and when they try and cram that Bull frog down

 my throat...I ain't buying it! :flamebreath:

   Pedophiles and bestiality groups are also doing the same thing. :flamebreath:

   there is a great movement right now. 5-7% of the population GLB"s are changing laws in this country...

   

 

Offline sheila

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 3575
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #26 on: January 11, 2013, 09:49:34 PM »
 yeah Ded2..but wev'e got GLB'S  not satisfied with that.  They say it is Not a sin..and that is what this

 whole movement is about in the churches.  That is their agenda.   I have been to the Gay Lesbian Bisexual

 sites and read these very things.

 

Offline jabcat

  • Admin
  • *
  • Posts: 8952
  • SINNER SAVED BY GRACE
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #27 on: January 11, 2013, 09:49:56 PM »
yep..that's it Jab!.... Myheart has never compelled me to persecute them or treat them other than kindly and

considerately....and I rejoice in the salvation of all men..from every kind of sin!!  But this GLM in  declaring

 it 'not sin' is a big fat frog doctrine[ unclean inspired expression]. and when they try and cram that Bull frog down

 my throat...I ain't buying it! :flamebreath:

   Pedophiles and bestiality groups are also doing the same thing. :flamebreath:

   there is a great movement right now. 5-7% of the population GLB"s are changing laws in this country...

Yep      :bumbrage:
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

Offline ded2daworld

  • Silver
  • *
  • Posts: 2100
  • Gender: Male
  • What if today we were just grateful for everything
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #28 on: January 11, 2013, 09:50:02 PM »
The laws change because the law passers are either "into" the stuff themselves
or have a family member or good friend doing it.
Isn't it Dick Cheney's daughter that has been welcomed with open arms for
her lesbianism?
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

Offline ded2daworld

  • Silver
  • *
  • Posts: 2100
  • Gender: Male
  • What if today we were just grateful for everything
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #29 on: January 11, 2013, 10:00:46 PM »
This agenda is pushed so much that if even one atheist is "offended"
then 1,000 people do not have the manger scenes, prayer time, references to God, etc.
So the 5-7% very vocal minority is pushing itself onto the majority.
Even OPENLY gay people have been elected to very high office in the government.
Like what happened the last time a minority ran and he got voted in because
so many were accused of being "racist" just because of his political stance.
(We didn't like that he didn't have one and virtually no experience for any real job at all)
SO... if the Lord's day isn't in the next 40 years, I predict a homosexual president -
and it may even be a lesbian.
(My experience working with plenty of pagan guys and girls is that guys are much
more accepting of lesbians than girls are of homosexual men.)
"Why do so many people think that the Bible is only inspired at certain points -  and that  THEY are inspired to pick out which points?"

Offline sheila

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 3575
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2013, 10:27:56 PM »
  Look at this example..Genesis 19  two angels come to deliver Lot...Before they had gone to bed

  all the men from every part of the city of Sodom-  surrounded the house....Bring them out to us

  that we may have sex with them.  When Lot tried to  fend them off..by offering them two  females..

  they said 'Get out of our way, who appointed you judge over us "! sound familiar? same spirit in operation

  We'll treat you worse than them!  they kept bringing pressure to break down the door.

  and they have suceeded in breaking down the door in some churches..they accuse of judging right off

 when you don't condone it.  It is really the angel of the Lord, the messenger of the covenant that they desire

  to defile.   

Offline Molly

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 11247
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2013, 10:49:51 PM »
powerful, Sheila.

Offline Lonely Summer

  • Full
  • *
  • Posts: 44
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2013, 11:29:12 PM »
Another friend of mine has been with the same woman for over 20 years, never married, very devout Christian. So recently I asked him if they ever talked about marriage. She is on disability, and he said if they got married, her disability would be cut. Does he make enough money to support the both of them? Maybe. I don't really know (I think a lot of his income goes to supporting his parents, who are retired, and never had good paying jobs). I know that he is completely faithful to her, she is much older than him, but he said he would have no desire to find someone else if she passed away. So I am very impressed by his devotion to his partner, but I can hear the voices saying "Ooh! Abomination! Unmarried couple!" and all the cliche stuff. The older i get, the more I feel "what place do I have judging them, I'll let God do the judging", but then people hide behind their Bible and say "but the Bible says....".....I've just got a headache about the things I've seen/heard said in the church. Sometimes it makes me wish I didn't believe anymore...but I do, always will.

Offline lomarah

  • Silver
  • *
  • Posts: 2227
  • Gender: Female
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2013, 11:41:14 PM »
Right. There's no question that the public school system is no place to raise
Godly kids - and they shouldn't have the reponsibility of raising others kids anyway
since many piblic school teachers are non-believers in christianity, or atheist, or a few satan worshipers or witches and/or a few gay and lesbian. Not good.
I would fear and loathe the responsibility of raising a child in this day and age.

 :sigh: Welcome to my life. This is one of the many reasons I've decided to homeschool. I feel very blessed to have the opportunity to do so. I know many (single parents for example) don't have the option.
From Him and through Him and to Him are all things.

seekfirst

  • Guest
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2013, 12:04:38 AM »
Right. There's no question that the public school system is no place to raise
Godly kids - and they shouldn't have the reponsibility of raising others kids anyway
since many piblic school teachers are non-believers in christianity, or atheist, or a few satan worshipers or witches and/or a few gay and lesbian. Not good.
I would fear and loathe the responsibility of raising a child in this day and age.

 :sigh: Welcome to my life. This is one of the many reasons I've decided to homeschool. I feel very blessed to have the opportunity to do so. I know many (single parents for example) don't have the option.

I've started at least 3-4 replies...  I just feel so discouraged re: many of the current demands placed on teachers, parents, and most of all, the students, regarding the whole issue of same sex marriages, the gay lifestyle.  I'm not a parent, but I am a former teacher and I thoroughly enjoyed most of my teaching career (28 years), but I am so very, very grateful, personally, that I am retired; but my heart aches for all the parents, teachers, and most of all the students that are still so much a part of this world's educational system. May God's light, truth, mercy, love, grace shine on all concerned.

Offline jabcat

  • Admin
  • *
  • Posts: 8952
  • SINNER SAVED BY GRACE
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2013, 12:08:15 AM »
Another friend of mine has been with the same woman for over 20 years, never married, very devout Christian. So recently I asked him if they ever talked about marriage. She is on disability, and he said if they got married, her disability would be cut. Does he make enough money to support the both of them? Maybe. I don't really know (I think a lot of his income goes to supporting his parents, who are retired, and never had good paying jobs). I know that he is completely faithful to her, she is much older than him, but he said he would have no desire to find someone else if she passed away. So I am very impressed by his devotion to his partner, but I can hear the voices saying "Ooh! Abomination! Unmarried couple!" and all the cliche stuff. The older i get, the more I feel "what place do I have judging them, I'll let God do the judging", but then people hide behind their Bible and say "but the Bible says[/u]....".....I've just got a headache about the things I've seen/heard said in the church. Sometimes it makes me wish I didn't believe anymore...but I do, always will.

I'm not judging your friends, #1, because I don't feel it's my place.  #2, because for all I know, if they've made a committment before God (even privately) maybe in His eyes they indeed are married.  And #3, if I did attempt some type of judgment, it would be about the behavior and what scripture says about it (as best as I can understand), not about the person.  How God ultimately deals with each of us is between us and Him.  So anything I'd say to them (if at all) would be in the way of trying to help, and encourage them to take it before God in prayer.

Besides all that though - given the need for accurate translation, Spirit revelation, and the fact that none of us understand everything completely, and some mis-use and misinterpret scripture etiher out of ignorance or for personal gain, etc. - still, what does the Bible say?  Do you personally believe that's important?  And do you believe someone believing and searching, trying to understand the scriptures with the right motives, necessarily mean they're "hiding behind their Bible"?  It seems to me, since most in the modern world have been given the scriptures, the alternative is, "everyone doing what's right in their own eyes". (Judges 17:6)  Blessings.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2013, 12:19:25 AM by jabcat »
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

Offline jabcat

  • Admin
  • *
  • Posts: 8952
  • SINNER SAVED BY GRACE
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2013, 12:12:36 AM »
Right. There's no question that the public school system is no place to raise
Godly kids - and they shouldn't have the reponsibility of raising others kids anyway
since many piblic school teachers are non-believers in christianity, or atheist, or a few satan worshipers or witches and/or a few gay and lesbian. Not good.
I would fear and loathe the responsibility of raising a child in this day and age.

 :sigh: Welcome to my life. This is one of the many reasons I've decided to homeschool. I feel very blessed to have the opportunity to do so. I know many (single parents for example) don't have the option.

We homeschooled too, Lo.  Except one semester, all the way through.  I have some regrets, i.e., that I'd been a more dedicated, responsible teacher.  But beyond that, I think it certainly had its advantages.
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

Offline jabcat

  • Admin
  • *
  • Posts: 8952
  • SINNER SAVED BY GRACE
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2013, 12:28:59 AM »
Molly said;  "What is going on--it is normalizing homosexuality, the way heterosexuality is normal.

It's the new normal for children.   Like it or not, this used to be a Christian country.  That is no longer an option
."  - end quote


20 years ago a preacher preached a sermon about victory in Christ, how the Christian life can help one overcome sin, including active homosexuality.  Within the past 24 hours he has been bullied into stepping aside from delivering the address at Obama's inaugaration "ceremony".  The official statement is, they'll find someone who is more in line with their values.
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

Offline sheila

  • Gold
  • *
  • Posts: 3575
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2013, 12:34:18 AM »
 well..last time I checked..I didn't write the Law and give it to Moses..God did..and it 'the word of God'

 decreed what God said was sin.. So that 'sin' could be condemned..in the flesh of ALL MEN..so

  they be convicted of it..and turn to He that takes away all the sin .  Confessing your sins and crying out

 for the Grace of God..is NOT arguing in God's face that it is NOT a sin.  Then like Paul..that said...

  my inner man agrees with the law of God.that it is good;.but behold in my body members I find another law

  sin's law.   Men would put forth 'sins law' as good..and God's law as evil

 

   Better to have the attitude of the man that beat his breast saying,Lord be gracious to me a sinner..than

 to call God a liar[  I truly believe many men do this..and this may be what your friend does]


   p.s.  my own daughter lives with a man.she's.on soc..sec..disability has horrible medical expenses

  and I can agree whole-heartedly with God that it would havebeen 'good' if she had not had  2 children out of wedlock

  that I have had to provide for and take care of.. It would have been 'good' if their biological father would

 work and provide for them.. It would have been good if there was no sickness or death,also.


 we must not choose the 'lesser' of two evils and call it 'good' and call God evil.   Now HE ALWAYS JUDGES

WITH MERCY..BUT HE HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGE WHAT IS EVIL FROM WHAT IS GOOD.


  Now,we have been 'sown' in corruption...and shall be RAISED UP in incorruption. Now,we wrestle Not flesh

and blood..but powers and principalities in High places[these same powers and principalities make the laws

that cause financial hardship on those that marry, these same powers and principalities are ruling over

captive brother's flesh..and both 'tempt' them in these things and accuse them before God.

  I can also agree with God..that the Law to Not eat from the tokogae was 'good'  because I see the result

  of sin entering through disobediance..and looking about at all the suffering and death and corruption and

 evil..I CAN SAY..THAT LAW WAS GOOD.
« Last Edit: January 12, 2013, 12:41:51 AM by sheila »

Offline lomarah

  • Silver
  • *
  • Posts: 2227
  • Gender: Female
Re: legalism or not?
« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2013, 01:33:38 AM »
Right. There's no question that the public school system is no place to raise
Godly kids - and they shouldn't have the reponsibility of raising others kids anyway
since many piblic school teachers are non-believers in christianity, or atheist, or a few satan worshipers or witches and/or a few gay and lesbian. Not good.
I would fear and loathe the responsibility of raising a child in this day and age.

 :sigh: Welcome to my life. This is one of the many reasons I've decided to homeschool. I feel very blessed to have the opportunity to do so. I know many (single parents for example) don't have the option.

I've started at least 3-4 replies...  I just feel so discouraged re: many of the current demands placed on teachers, parents, and most of all, the students, regarding the whole issue of same sex marriages, the gay lifestyle.  I'm not a parent, but I am a former teacher and I thoroughly enjoyed most of my teaching career (28 years), but I am so very, very grateful, personally, that I am retired; but my heart aches for all the parents, teachers, and most of all the students that are still so much a part of this world's educational system. May God's light, truth, mercy, love, grace shine on all concerned.

Were you a teacher? That's awesome! I know that there are many, many great teachers out there. (One of my good friends is one, I would have no problem putting my daughter in her class!) Teachers aren't my main concern (although now that ded said that, he raises a good point, and from my past experience teachers and their beliefs do have a huge impact on their students... so would I really want an atheist teaching my child darwinism and such...). It's the students that scare me the most. There is no way of controlling the type of environment those kids are coming from... my brother had a friend in elementary school, very young, who used to ask him to do things that no child should even know about!! Now I do not plan on keeping my children secluded from the world, and I hope to get them into as many extracurricular activites as possible, but I just feel that sending them off "unsupervised" (ie with no parental guidance) for 6 1/2 hours per day (starting off), 5 days a week, is just too much in this day and age.

(So sorry, this is completely off topic...)


Sheila, awesome post!!
From Him and through Him and to Him are all things.