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Offline sparrow

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Re: My girl thinks that universalism is bullcrap :)
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2009, 06:09:36 PM »
What difference does it make if it happens now or later or after a person dies?

Jhn 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed [are] they that have not seen, and [yet] have believed. 


Yes!  If salvation comes after we die . .it means we never came into the purpose God intended for us in this brief life on earth.  For me, that purpose is to manifest that which is invisible in "His" kingdom, here on the visible earthly kingdom.  And to reproduce his nature in others.  "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven . . ."  To come to Christ during this lifetime, is to fulfill the desire of the Father and complete Christ's prayer.

Oh, of course.  :HeartThrob:
But... my whole point was that you can't force people.
I think someone replied that they would say goodbye to this girl. I think I'm mostly responding to that sentiment.
Don't say goodbye, this person WILL come to the truth, worst case is she will come to the truth when she passes over.
God works through us, of course, however... God works through A lot of other things as well.
Don't even get me started on nature.
God's love and God's story is written all over his creation.
Everyone has a path to walk.
We can't walk it for them.
Just keep loving.

"I knelt to drink,
And knew that I was on the brink
Of endless joy. And everywhere
I turned I saw a wonder there."

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing.

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Re: My girl thinks that universalism is bullcrap :)
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2009, 06:27:33 PM »
Oh, sorry . . .and yes . . .totally agree with everything you just said. :bgdance:

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Re: My girl thinks that universalism is bullcrap :)
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2009, 07:12:24 PM »
Now... what?

She knows I'm a Universalist, however she refuses to accept that early Christians prayed for   dead people.
Todays Catholic church also prays for the dead.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...