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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #200 on: July 06, 2012, 12:00:31 PM »
Apantēsis (Strongs Greek 529) Is a technical term that refers specifically to the practice of sending a delegation outside the city walls and gates to receive a dignitary who was coming. This was the practice when a king and his army were returning from war. All the people would pour forth from the city gates and welcome them with pomp and circumstance. The people would meet them outside and then usher them back into the city with shouts of joy and acclamation.

W.E. Vines says "It is used in the papyri of a newly arriving magistrate. It seems that the special idea of the word was the official welcome of a newly arrived dignitary"

I would like to look at every instance this word is used in scripture (which is only 3 places):

Matthew 25:1 - Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Matthew 25:6 -And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Matthew 25:10 - And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

We can note three things about this word "meet" (apantesis)

1 - The bridegroom is going to the marriage feast.
2 - The virgins go out to meet him.
3 - They continue on to the marriage feast, the original destination.

The bridegroom certainly does not fetch them from where they are waiting and whisk them off to some far away location. Rather, while the foolish virgins are away buying more oil, the bridegroom comes and enters into the marriage feast with the five wise virgins. The foolish virgins return to their original location to find the door already shut.

Acts 28:15,16 - And from thence, when the brethren heard of us, they came to meet us as far as Appii forum, and The three taverns: whom when Paul saw, he thanked God, and took courage. And when we came to Rome, the centurion delivered the prisoners to the captain of the guard: but Paul was suffered to dwell by himself with a soldier that kept him.


Again, we note three things:
1 - Paul is traveling toward the city of Rome.
2 - The brethren meet him.
3 - Paul and the brethren continue on into Rome, the original destination.


I Thessalonians 4:16,17 - For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


This does not say anything about the Lord returning, then reversing direction and heading back to Heaven.
Verse 17 says "And so shall we ever be with the Lord". We can't follow Christ back to Heaven and "Ever be with the Lord" when He isn't going to be there forever.
He's setting up His kingdom here on earth!

When the dignitary approached a city, the elders of the city would go out to meet him and escort him back into the city. In no case does the one being met reverse direction and return the way he came. On the contrary, it is the people meeting the dignitary who change direction.

Once again, we note three things:
1 - The Lord descends from heaven [toward Earth].
2 - After the dead rise first, we who are alive go to meet him in the air.
3 - We accompany the Lord back to Earth, which he was originally approaching


Based upon this (among other things I've already mentioned in the book), I am persuaded to believe that the return of Christ and the rapture of the church take place simultaneously.
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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #201 on: July 06, 2012, 12:11:57 PM »
That passage 1Thess 4 says nothing about escorting him back at that time.
It does Molly.
The meaning of the Greek word "apantesis" means escorting a guess to the place the escort cames from.

Anyway "says nothing about escorting him back" says nothing about the saints going to heaven. Does that mean we must conclude Jesus and His saints will just be hovering in the air?

I think you are reading your own meaning into that word.

G529
ἀπάντησις
apantēsis
ap-an'-tay-sis
From G528; a (friendly) encounter: - meet.


G528
ἀπαντάω
apantaō
ap-an-tah'-o
From G575 and a derivative of G473; to meet away, that is, encounter: - meet.


From two words
apo=off
anti=opposite

Meeting somewhere off from where we are now and opposite of where we are now. that is, away.  There is nothing in that word that implies returning or coming back or escorting or anything else.


What can we conclude they are doing in this other dimension, the 'air'?   I think we have to  look to other scripture to come to that conclusion.

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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #202 on: July 06, 2012, 12:19:48 PM »
Quote from: ww
Matthew 25:10 - And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut

I think this is a very good scripture to describe what will happen at the meeting [apantesis] between the saints and Jesus in the air at the harpazo.

AND THE DOOR IS SHUT. 

No one is going anywhere.

No one else is getting in.

No one else will see them or what is going on in there.

  Something is now going to happen behind that closed door that sets these saints apart from all other people.

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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #203 on: July 06, 2012, 12:32:39 PM »
I think you are reading your own meaning into that word.
I think you ignore all the evidence.

Fistly it simply is the meaning of that word. Not since I wrote this message but for millenia.
Secondly by your reasoning it doesn't state the go to heaven. I states nothing of what happens after the meeting.

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From two words
apo=off
anti=opposite
Correct

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Meeting somewhere off from where we are now and opposite of where we are now.
Also agreed. The question is: What is the purpose of that meeting?
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that is, away.
Also agreed.
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There is nothing in that word that implies returning or coming back or escorting or anything else
And that's where you are wrong. It's very meaning of that word.
Should  I say concept?



Say friends from Australia come visiting you. You have two options then.
You can let them take a cab from your local airport to your house.

Or you can "apantesis" them. Drive to the airport yourself. Wait for them with flowers and a big smile. And then drive them to your house telling them how glad you are they come visiting you.

You do the apantesis. Not your guests. You move "off" "opposite" of were the guests will stay. You move away from your house (the destination of the guests). That's the opposite direction of the that of your guests who are traveling toward your house.
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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #204 on: July 06, 2012, 12:37:57 PM »
I said nothing about 'heaven,' about them going to 'heaven,' or about them staying there.

Did I say those things?  NO.

I said there are two different events.

One where just the saints will see him, and meet with him, and, I believe going behind closed doors and celebrate their marriage to him.

And, one, at later time, when Jesus will return with his saints, the parousia.

Two different events, not simultaneous because there is of necessity a time behind the closed door where things take place, but one after the other.  And, nothing is said of them being simultaneous.

So maybe I will meet my friend at the airport, marry him, celebrate a honeymoon, and then return with him to the house.

Do they have chapels at airports?
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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #205 on: July 06, 2012, 12:43:49 PM »
Quote from: ww
Matthew 25:10 - And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut

I think this is a very good scripture to describe what will happen at the meeting [apantesis] between the saints and Jesus in the air at the harpazo.
Indeed a very good Scripture. But not for your view I fear....

a] 10 virgins in room/house
b] 5 foolish virgins leave to buy oil.
c] Meanwhile the 5 wise virgins apantēsis their groom.
d] The 5 foolish virgins return and knock on the door of the house they left.

Whose answering them? The groom that was apantēsis-ed.
So apperently the groom is on the exact same spot the 10 virgins were at the beginning of the parable. If apantēsis would mean "taken away" then nobody would have answered the door because both groom and the 5 wise virgins would be at the place the groom came from. And that was obviously not in the same room all 10 virgins waited for that same groom.
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Something is now going to happen behind that closed door that sets these saints apart from all other people.
True.
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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #206 on: July 06, 2012, 12:57:04 PM »
'knocking on the door' could mean they are standing back on earth [in another dimension] and calling out his name.  There will come a time when the door is shut and no more will be let in.  That time will be the harpazo.


Airport chapels offer haven to more faiths

ATLANTA Ordained a United Methodist minister, the Rev. Chester Cook has now become a jack of all faiths.


Look.  There's even a minister.  You COULD get married at the airport. :winkgrin:
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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #207 on: July 06, 2012, 03:39:33 PM »
Also I agree with most of what Jones said in those snips except the part about being separate. Eve came out of adam as I believe we the creation came out of jesus' side. Likewise Jesus came out of the father. We return to him as the two become one. He is already one with Father. I dont know what constitutes separate or distinct at that point. I dont think we can fathom that kind of unity. Its something foreign to our limited human individuality. Even if we still have separate personalities I cant even conceive of it as distinctness.

Our God is both a Rock and a Cloud in Scripture.  He is our Father.  As rocks we retain form through changing environments.  I am not my circumstance though I'm in it.  As clouds we change to fill our environment, making the fragrance of Messiah evident in every place.  It seems these opposite characteristics are in the qualities of the Divine nature referred to with the descriptive titles Elohim and Yahweh.

Men of God are examples of identities held in common with other men while simultaneously different from other men. The closer we get to God the more unique we are; yet, we are at the same time increasingly identified with by other men.  Moses or Samuel, Paul or Jesus have qualities very distinct from all others, yet we are perceive something of ourselves in each.

These considerations were an answer to me some yeas ago when I asked God if we would lose our separate personalities as we came more into union with Him.  I must confess to experiences that somewhat overcame me, specially of our union with Him.  Still, I can interpret certain other conditions I endured as more of my sanctification, or distinctness from everything else that is, including God.

Whether an approving judgement, perhaps an immortal doves egg, or, whatever, a white stone with a new name is given to the Overcomer.  This, and Jesus' new name indicate advance in inwardly conscious identity and progressiveness of our identities outward display.
I can agree with what youre saying. I think our individuality increasing is in him. By that I mean our new name is His name imo. Its an aspect of his nature. Beautiful, wonderful, righteous. I dont think "we" go away, its just that we get so caught up raptured if you will :laugh2: :rolllol: in the enfolding that our concept of individuality is radically altered. I think the type we can look to is the apostolic church. They had everything together they were one. Their view of family had changed. Yes the family was a single unit what they knew as life with their own homes amd own income and own personal needs wishes wants changed dramatically. (which btw i think God is calling us to this now)

They still had the flesh as a barrier a veil between them and its the in part time. When the fullness comes the oneness will be exponentially greater that our understanding of the concepts of one and individuality will be metamorphoo'd

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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #208 on: July 07, 2012, 03:20:57 AM »
The Rapture: What, When, Who and Why?
 
By John Henry
   

 


SCRIPTURE TEXTS
"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." (1 Corinthians 15:51-52)

"But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words." (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18)

"Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain." (Isaiah 26:19-21)


WHAT IS THE RAPTURE?
Concisely put, the Rapture is the catching away to Heaven in the twinkling of an eye of all saved people of this Church Age by a mighty act of God, and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

The definition of the word Rapture:

The word "Rapture" is not found in the English Bible. It is derived from the Latin verb, "raptus." The words "shall be caught up" in our text come from the Greek word "harpazo" which is rendered "raptus" in the Latin Bible. "Harpazo" and "raptus" are found in 1st Thessalonians 4:17. Again 1st Thessalonians 4:16-17 says:

"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1 Thess 4:16-17)

"Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead. Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain." (Isaiah 26:19-21)

Harpazo is found 13 times in the Greek Bible and is variously translated "pull," "pluck," "take by force," "catch," "catch away" and "catch up." It literally mean "to seize" or "snatch away" as a thief might snatch away a purse from a woman.


WHEN WILL THE RAPTURE OCCUR?
The Word of God says, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man.... Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh." (Matt 24:35-36, 40-44; cf. Luke 12:37-40; 1 Thess 5:1-5)

No one knows when the Rapture will occur. However, there are a number of signs that will be prevalent as the time draws near. Among these signs will be: 1) simultaneous increases in false christs, wars, famines, pestilences, and earthquakes (Matt 24:4-7), 2) Christian persecution (Matt 24:9), 3) iniquity will be abounding (Matt 24:10-12; cf. 2 Tim 3:1, 1 Tim 4:1-2), 4) there will be gospel preaching "in all the world for a witness unto all nations" (Matt 24:14), 5) The Nation of Israel will be back in the Land (Matt 24:32; cf. Hos 9:10; Joel 1:6-7), 6) the world will be calling for "peace and safety" (1 Thess 5:3). The Bible says, "All these are the beginning of sorrows. ... when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." (Matt 24:8, 33)

We also understand that the Rapture will take place prior to the Tribulation. Second Thessalonians 2 states:

"Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped.... And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed ..." (Thessalonians 2:1-4, 6-8)

This passage has a number of important points for us to consider:

First, we see that it is referring to the Rapture in that it is talking about, "the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him."

Secondly, we understand that someone had been making the false claim that "the day of Christ" (the Tribulation) was "at hand" (present).

Third, "that day [the Tribulation] shall not come, except ... that man of sin [the Antichrist] be revealed."

Forthly, we are able to discern that "he who now letteth" is the Holy Spirit who dwells in all believers, and that "what withholdeth" is the collective body of all Church Age believers.

Now let's move to the Book of Revelation to tie all this together. In Revelation 4:1 we have a picture of the Rapture at the end of the Church Age which is symbolize by the seven churches of Asia in chapters 2 and 3 (cf. Rev 1:19). Then after that in Revelation 6:2 the Antichrist is seen on "a white horse ... [going] forth conquering, and to conquer." It is therefore apparent that the Antichrist will not be revealed until after all believers, in whom the Holy Spirit dwells, are removed from the Earth.


WHO WILL GO IN THE RAPTURE?
Every born again person since the establishment of the church till the time of the Rapture will be changed in the twinkling of an eye, and caught up to meet the Lord in the air. That is to say all saved people of this Church Age will go in the Rapture.

The foundation of salvation is the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Our text says, "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him" (1 Thess 4:14). If one does not believe that Jesus died and rose again he will not go in the Rapture, and if he is alive when the Rapture occurs he will enter the Great Tribulation. On the other hand all that do believe that Jesus died and rose again, both the dead and the living, will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

1st Corinthians 15:51 says, "... We shall not all sleep, but we shall ALL be changed ..." The word "sleep" here means physically dead. When the Rapture occurs the believers that are still alive will be changed along with the dead in Christ and raptured with them to meet the Lord in the air.

Only Church Age believers will be Raptured. The reason we say that is this: The Tribulation is a continuation of the Old Testament Dispensation of Law (Dan 9:27). The Dispensation of Law ended and the Church Age began with the establishment of the New Testament Church by the Lord Jesus Christ. This New Testament Dispensation of Grace is like a "time out" between Old Testament times and Tribulation.

God through the Prophet Daniel described the end of the Tribulation and the beginning of the last dispensation, the Millennium, in these words:

"And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days." (Dan 12:11-13; cf. Job 19:25-27)

This passage clearly states that Daniel, an Old Testament saint, will not be resurrected until after the Tribulation.

Likewise, Hebrews 11 speaking of Old Testament saints says:

"And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect." (Heb 11:39-40)

There is only one way to be saved. Both Old and New Testament saints are saved by faith in the one and only Saviour, Jesus Christ. They looked forward to His coming while we look back to it. However, there is a dispensational difference in the timing of their resurrection and ours.

Church Age believers will be raptured to meet the Lord in the air, but Old Testament believers will be resurrected and see the Lord on the earth. Daniel will "stand in [his] lot at the end of the days" (Dan 12:11-13). "[Job knew] that [his] redeemer liveth, and that He [would] stand at the latter day upon the earth: And though after [his] skin worms destroy [his] body, yet in [his] flesh [he will] see God." (Job 19:25-26)


WHY IS THE RAPTURE NECESSARY?
"Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord." (1 Cor 15:51-58)

"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences." (2 Cor 5:10-11)

"Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward." (2 John 8; cf. Rev 3:11)

"And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him. Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure." (1 John 2:28 - 3:3)



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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #209 on: July 24, 2012, 01:55:41 PM »
False prophets
False doctrine
connection??

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« Reply #210 on: July 24, 2012, 02:59:42 PM »
Not so fast.

If you go all the way back to the original post, he actually says July 25.  :laughing7:

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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #211 on: July 24, 2012, 03:26:01 PM »
Is it just me or is earth gravitational field weakening the last few days???

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« Last Edit: July 24, 2012, 03:51:35 PM by WhiteWings »
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #212 on: July 24, 2012, 03:52:15 PM »
Use a little more spikenard Ded :P
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #213 on: July 25, 2012, 09:13:26 PM »
At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.
The earth shook, the rocks split 52 and the tombs broke open.
The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53
 They came out of the tombs after Jesus' resurrection and[e] went into the holy city and appeared to many people.


Jesus said it was Finished.
There is a year a day in the year an hour in the day and a second in the hour
that Jesus died on the cross.
There was the last twinkling of an eye.

in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.
For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.

The dead rose from tombs and like Jesus were seen through out Jerusalem.

We have all been changed. We were all reconciled to God.

Once again, we note three things:
1 - The Lord descends from the cross
2 - After the dead rise first, we who are alive are changed by the Holy Spirit.
3 - We accompany the Lord in the Holy Spirit in the Kingdom of God.(for ever)

Once again, we note three things:
1 - The Lord descends from heaven [toward Earth].
2 - After the dead rise first, we who are alive go to meet him in the air.
3 - We accompany the Lord back to Earth, which he was originally approaching




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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #214 on: July 25, 2012, 09:26:12 PM »

They have left the path of truth, claiming that the resurrection of the dead has already occurred; in this way, they have turned some people away from the faith.

--2 Tim 2:18

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Re: aprrently the rapture will know be on july 24...
« Reply #215 on: July 27, 2012, 12:08:51 AM »

They have left the path of truth, claiming that the resurrection of the dead has already occurred; in this way, they have turned some people away from the faith.

--2 Tim 2:18

and the tombs broke open.
The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life.

This verse has always intrigued me.
This verse is not referring to the resurrection of the dead. 
The curtain tearing was prophesied in the Old Testament.
The crucifixion of Christ was prophesized in the Old Testament.
Was this group of people who were raised from the dead prophesized in the Old Testament?