Craig, if you want to take this to the nth degree as apparently you do, then you may have a point. However, I still say even you still only know in part and are still in a process of becoming, whether you realize it or not. Understanding, being veiled and/or revealed is not all one way or the other, completely black and white. If that's the way you wish to perceive things then that's your prerogative...what I find however (do it sometimes myself..hope that doesn't make me depraved laughing7)is that usually creates conflict both internally and with others.
The topic of this post is, if you died (or willing to die) for the doctrine of false knowledge as evil as eternal torment, then you are or once depraved. I clarified also my position earlier, there are also those who are not depraved but deceived. Depraved:
made corrupt, wicked, or perverted.Decieved:
To caused to believe what is not true; mislead.
Whether veiled or revealed, it matters not; as I mentioned before. Your excuse has been that they are walking only to the Light they were given. I did not make this an issue of black and white, you again inadvertently did because....Romans 1:20
For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
Those who continue to teach a God of murder and injustice (there is no justice in perpetual torment of anyone for any reason), and continue to do so are depraved or deceived.
Depraved and "as the faith is concerned, are rejected"? I don't think so.
You must not have known was depraved was? Did any of us even mention "as the faith is concerned, are rejected"? I see your fear and the presuppositions of what you thought B_T and myself were saying from this non-sequitur response.
There are plenty of Christians, who have listened to the Spirit, and have searched out the Scriptures because they saw, felt, or knew it was just wrong. These Christians, found in all denominations, if you ask them where do you think people go when they die, do not say hell and don't even believe in hell (as eternal torment). They at one time were depraved and deceived, but came out of the darkness and into the Light.
just because someone doesn't possess all correct doctrine at any point in time, doesn't necessarily make them depraved, a "freak", or the enemy.
Really? So you say that a person who defends to the death a God who perpetual torments a person for rejecting Him, in their right mind, when it is so obvious if God is Love (which is attested through His creation and His Word), that He isn't. This is not just 'some' doctrine, this is an elementary doctrine of Christianity. Everything you believe has it's foundation on this doctrine perhaps you just don't understand the gravity of the situation.
There was a time Craig was deceived, but even from a child, he knew and felt that the doctrine of Eternal Hell and Torment, was wrong. It pained him to teach it, when people asked. In fact, in all his life, he only wrote one article on it and it was so depraved, that he could not teach it again. So yes, if I had continued to teach and believe in Eternal Hell and Torment, as mainstream Christianity teaches, I was and am depraved.
What is the fear of admitting this?