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Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Reply #250 on: December 19, 2014, 01:15:54 AM »
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Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Reply #251 on: December 19, 2014, 02:00:08 AM »
Don't tell that to any feminist activists, bro, or you might catch some heat for it.
For anyone who might be offended, we can be thankful that, while even today many who speak the Hebrew language still refer to their husbands as ba'ali (my owner), YHWH promised that there would be a time when he would not be referred to as ba'ali, but as ishi (my man).

Hos 2:18  יח והיה ביום ההוא נאם יהוה תקראי אישי ולא תקראי לי עוד בעלי
Hos 2:16 It will be in that day," says Yhwh, "that you will call me 'my husband,' and no longer call me 'my master.'

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Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Reply #252 on: December 19, 2014, 02:10:04 AM »
Don't tell that to any feminist activists, bro, or you might catch some heat for it.
For anyone who might be offended, we can be thankful that, while even today many who speak the Hebrew language still refer to their husbands as ba'ali (my owner), YHWH promised that there would be a time when he would not be referred to as ba'ali, but as ishi (my man).

Hos 2:18  יח והיה ביום ההוא נאם יהוה תקראי אישי ולא תקראי לי עוד בעלי
Hos 2:16 It will be in that day," says Yhwh, "that you will call me 'my husband,' and no longer call me 'my master.'

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  Hi Ronen
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  Its weird I was just looking up the   seven women  taking a hold of one man
 
  in Isaiah 4   1For seven women will take hold of one man in that day, saying, "We will eat our own bread and wear our own clothes, only let us be called by your name; take away our reproach!" 2In that day the Branch of the LORD will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth will be the pride and the adornment of the survivors of Israel.
 
  I was thinking but could be wrong   if it is the 7 churches/women  in the right hand of the Lord in Rev 2 and 3 ?
 Just curious to yours or anyone opinion
 
 
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Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Reply #253 on: December 19, 2014, 02:15:20 AM »
Don't tell that to any feminist activists, bro, or you might catch some heat for it.
For anyone who might be offended, we can be thankful that, while even today many who speak the Hebrew language still refer to their husbands as ba'ali (my owner), YHWH promised that there would be a time when he would not be referred to as ba'ali, but as ishi (my man).

Hos 2:18  יח והיה ביום ההוא נאם יהוה תקראי אישי ולא תקראי לי עוד בעלי
Hos 2:16 It will be in that day," says Yhwh, "that you will call me 'my husband,' and no longer call me 'my master.'

Ronen


Can we say Love! :dsunny:
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Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Reply #254 on: December 19, 2014, 03:23:44 AM »

  Its weird I was just looking up the   seven women  taking a hold of one man
 
  in Isaiah 4   1For seven women will take hold of one man in that day, saying, "We will eat our own bread and wear our own clothes, only let us be called by your name; take away our reproach!" 2In that day the Branch of the LORD will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth will be the pride and the adornment of the survivors of Israel.
 
  I was thinking but could be wrong   if it is the 7 churches/women  in the right hand of the Lord in Rev 2 and 3 ?
 Just curious to yours or anyone opinion
I have not heard of that, so would have to think on it to offer my opinion.  :dontknow: At first glance I see the similarity of 7, but there are differences which do not appear to mesh with both accounts as to the character of the women and the character of the assemblies.

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Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Reply #255 on: December 19, 2014, 10:44:38 AM »
Don't tell that to any feminist activists, bro, or you might catch some heat for it.
Feminists are so cute :-)

Some people just see problems were they are not.
"I'm yours forever" is something both men and women say to each other when in love. Are they making statements of slavery and ownership? Maybe someone from another culture would assume so; but for English speaking people it just means "I really, really, really love you."

This thread started out as NT books being written in Hebrew. Later the thread became an idiom thread. Maybe I should have started a new one....
Anyway it serves as proof that literal translation of a book, any book including the Bible, rarely is the best approach.
"I'm yours forever." simply and undeniably is a statement of ownership. Every lexicon will show you that "yours" is about owning something. But we all know that's not what those words are about. Likewise we can without any doubt prove the meaning of Hebrew and Greek words.... and still be totally wrong because idioms never are the sum of the literal meanings of the words.

Idioms are (part of) the proof that the NT was written* in Hebrew. Simply because those idioms only exited in Hebrew and not in Greek. I know the argument that they spoke Aramaic and even that the NT was written in Aramaic. While that's more and more disputed by scholars it doesn't really change the discussion because Armiac isn't Greek.

*=Likely you many times read my posts and thought something like: He did spell the words correctly but why did he switch noun and verb?
That's because I'm Dutch and I'm unable to get out my Dutch mindset, of if you wish grammar rules out of my English. Good linguists can spot Dutch, German, French, etc people from a mile away when writing in English.
The NT Greek is even worse. The translators didn't even attempt to replace Hebrew idioms with Greek idioms. When doing a one on one translation from Greek to Hebrew, the result is a verse that usually perfect Hebrew (complete with idioms)

The most important aspect is culture. No matter if the NT was written in directly in Greek or translated from Hebrew or Armiac it's writers were Jews. A Jew, especially in that time, wasn't defined as someone who speaks Hebrew. Every fiber of them was soaked in OT related thought patterns. The whole society was build around OT feasts, laws, customs and of course God and His Temple. So if <insert your favorite person> communicated with Gentiles they may have spoke Greek, Latin or any other language to them, but brain and heart were still completely Jewish.

So to summarize, even if it would be proven without a doubt the NT was originally written in Latin it doesn't remove the underlying Jewish mindset.
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Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Reply #256 on: December 19, 2014, 01:02:32 PM »
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So to summarize, even if it would be proven without a doubt the NT was originally written in Latin it doesn't remove the underlying Jewish mindset.

    This is a great point taken   Tony !
 
  You are so right and they  are Gods chosen ,
  and certainly   as a nation and elect of God  , they have suffered  and made an example of   from the beginning of   keeping record!
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I agree  with you the patterns and concepts and language  and mainly in my opinion  EXAMPLE set   as first chosen   is an excellent    learning start  .
 the original Eastern  concept with Hebrew origin /roots
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Re: The New Testament was written in Hebrew (not Greek)
« Reply #257 on: December 19, 2014, 09:12:42 PM »
IMO it is not that simple, and that is why we labor as we do to insure proper translation/rendering of original thoughts and words.

For instance, the Latin Vulgate translated Sheol/Hades into Inferno. This introduced the yoking together of a Latin mindset concerning death and judgment distinctly different from the Hebrew thought connected to the word sheol- introducing the concept of flames in sheol, which was never there in the hebrew scriptures. 1500 years later, the KJV translators were translating from an incorrect Latin mindset and rendered the words sheol and gehenna, "hell" - imparting and reaffirming the whole abysmally distorted view of the doctrine of eternal judgment.
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