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« on: July 28, 2009, 09:16:26 AM »
The angels declared at Jesus' birth "Peace on earth, good will toward men".

Jesus said don't think He came to bring peace, but a sword.

He also said "my peace I give to you, not as the world gives..."

Any thoughts, insights, or further questions on peace, the different contexts of it, which parts fit where?
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: PEACE
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2009, 09:24:32 AM »
John 12:47  ...  for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Not exactly the word peace; but I think save and peace are very closely related.
To me the verses seem to contradict.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: PEACE
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2009, 10:00:35 AM »
I've got some thoughts on it, but a little uncertainty as well as to exactly how to reconcile these verses.  That's why I'm bringing it up.  I think there are good explanations, especially when taken in their proper contexts, but probably worth exploring a little bit. 
Neither should there be vulgar speech, foolish talk, or coarse jesting--all of which are out of character--but rather thanksgiving.  Eph. 5:4  **  Saved 1John 3.2, Eph. 2:8, John 1:12 - Being saved 2Cor. 4:16 2Peter 3:18 - Will be saved 1Peter 1:5 Romans 8:23

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Re: PEACE
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2009, 01:56:31 PM »
 :cloud9: All I got is what He gave me.........peace is when the flesh is no longer warring against the Spirit, in us. Blessings.....
"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

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Re: PEACE
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2009, 03:49:50 PM »
32 "Therefore, everyone who will acknowledge Me before men, I will also acknowledge him before My Father in heaven. 33 But whoever denies Me before men,  I will also deny him before My Father in heaven.


34 "Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword. 35 For I have come to 'set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law'; 36 and 'a man's enemies will be those of his own household.' 37 He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. 39 He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.

--Mat 10


6 For son dishonors father,
      Daughter rises against her mother,
      Daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law;
      A man's enemies are the men of his own household.


--Micah 7
     

40 "The one who welcomes you welcomes Me,  and the one who welcomes Me welcomes Him who sent Me.  41 Anyone who welcomes a prophet  because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward. And anyone who  welcomes a righteous person because he's righteous will receive a righteous person's reward. 42 And whoever gives just a cup of cold water to one of these little ones because he is a disciple  I assure you: He will never lose his reward!"

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Re: PEACE
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2009, 05:42:49 PM »
35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

--Mat 25



"to set a man at variance" [against]

dichazō anthrōpos



G1369
διχάζω
dichazō
dee-khad'-zo
From a derivative of G1364; to make apart, that is, sunder (figuratively alienate): - set at variance.


G1364
δίς
dis
dece
Adverb from G1417; twice: - again, twice.


G1417
δύο
duo
doo'-o
A primary numeral; "two": - both, twain, two.


G444
ἄνθρωπος
anthrōpos
anth'-ro-pos
From G435 and ὤψ ōps (the countenance; from G3700); manfaced, that is, a human being: - certain, man.



Luke 17:36
Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.




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Re: PEACE
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2009, 06:51:28 PM »
The angels declared at Jesus' birth "Peace on earth, good will toward men".

Jesus said don't think He came to bring peace, but a sword.

He also said "my peace I give to you, not as the world gives..."

Any thoughts, insights, or further questions on peace, the different contexts of it, which parts fit where?

That last quote ties them together. The world will hate you for the peace you have given, like Joseph's brothers hated him for the coat his father gave him.

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Re: PEACE
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2009, 11:08:02 PM »
The angels declared at Jesus' birth "Peace on earth, good will toward men".

Jesus said don't think He came to bring peace, but a sword.

He also said "my peace I give to you, not as the world gives..."

Any thoughts, insights, or further questions on peace, the different contexts of it, which parts fit where?

The Sword is the Word of God.  It is by the word of God that we are liberated from fear of death.

Paul

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Re: PEACE
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2009, 01:53:33 AM »
:cloud9: All I got is what He gave me.........peace is when the flesh is no longer warring against the Spirit, in us. Blessings.....
That is what I pray and long for, when things seem to be falling down around us people hate us judge us when family is falling apart or troubles to many to mention.
 I want that peace you are speaking of Cardinal.
I am closer than I once was but still need that stable peace.
 I then and only then can pass it on to the hurting and the sick.

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Re: PEACE
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2009, 02:05:31 AM »
  Peace to me, is a state of rest. Just being.

    Being with Him

    Being with each other in a bond of LOVE

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Re: PEACE
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2009, 02:30:23 AM »
The angels declared at Jesus' birth "Peace on earth, good will toward men".

Jesus said don't think He came to bring peace, but a sword.

He also said "my peace I give to you, not as the world gives..."

Any thoughts, insights, or further questions on peace, the different contexts of it, which parts fit where?

When Christ is "formed and birthed" IN YOU!!! The trees of the field
make peace with you.  The "end" of a man is peace.  Psa. 37.
The journey from a seed planted IN YOU to the SEED germinating
and becoming "formed" ......Paul said, My little children, whom I
travail, for Chist to be "formed" in you.  When the Covenant of Peace
promised to Abraham was made, it was spoken as a "promise"
When it was fulfilled, it was made to be by the OATH. Christ
is said to be made by the OATH, the Oath maketh the Son.  Hebrews.
Even the beasts of the field will be a peace for your sake, can
you imagine a child on the hole of an asp, that is what the Covenant
of Peace promises!!! That much peace .........and who is there that
can disturb when the LORD "gives" Peace.  Hold on, for at the timing
of the Lord, all this Word will be fullfilled, IN US.  Jabcat, you know
all this.