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Re: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2011, 03:40:37 AM »
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Re: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
« Reply #51 on: March 07, 2011, 10:32:39 PM »
NOTE: I am waay more polite and courteous when in dialogue with atheists, than I am in this post. A bit impatient today. Same old, same old debate, no matter how many times you answer it, they'll simply ignore the answere and make another list or even the same one!.

Q1
Why won't God heal amputees?

All imperfection is the result of thinking ability, thus choice being endowed. The other option, obviously, is no rational creatures. Choice ('free-will') is now being let to run its course, obviously or the world would indeed be perfect.  God has only interfered two or three critical times to prevent annihilation (and collapse before anything is proven/learned). and to build up and provide the rescue for all. To interfere and prevent one person's suffering would require the prevention of everyone's suffering. To be interfering is to not be 'free-will'. (Instead of what is sometimes presented by well meaning believers, as some sort of cosmic accident God did not foresee! God can only be Perfect, therefor the 'end' result of all this can only be not only perfect, but the best one possible.)

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We believe in answered prayer, so why is a prayer for a raise etc. not have the same effect as a prayer of a starving person.
 - maybe they should try reasoning power see if they can come up with any reasons :laughing7:.

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Why are there so many starving people in this world?

Consequences of man's ways. When thinking ability was endowed, so was the ability to choose. Life is as it is as a result of all choices made upon Earth. Choice/'free-will' is being let to run its course or else it's not 'free-will'. (God, since He ultimately caused all this by allowing reasoning power, built the rescue into all things "from the beginning" ("from the foundation of the world"). His other choice? [He has done aLl things as He has in order to bring about the best ultimate reality. Think about it.]

Q3
Why does God demand the deaths of so many innocent people in the Bible?
Alludes to disobedient teenagers, non-virgins, homosexuals, people working on the Sabbath day.

Everyone dies. Every one will be resurrected and ultimately saved/rescued. Israel's early wars were against nations steeped in grisly human sacrifice. Even these He will resurrect and save. The strict OT laws were for one tiny nation in-order-to somewhat prepare a place for the savior/rescuer to come through, as opposed to coming in the midst of tree worshipers or something. Also OT law is an example of reality. God is Life and Perfection, to choose or do anything other than what God chooses is to become imperfect, the opposite-of-life/God (but! there's a 2nd resurrection after which those not believing will be 'lost' but after being resurrected, etc, who's not going to believe? :happygrin: hence! not lost. God is greatly underestimated! aNd His character blasphemed everyday by this. The theory of so many lost, and, the mistranslation "hell" which of course should read "death" or "the grave" opposite of God/Life/Perfection).

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Why does the bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense?
Claims of no worldwide flood, Jonah and the fish, man was not created from the dust.

Like when Jesus said "after the tribulation of those days... He will send out His angels to the four corners of the world to gather His elect"? (dah) the four directions, north, south, east, west. When the rest of the world thought the earth was supported on the back of Atlas, a turtle or an elephant, the Bible said the sun travels each day in its circuit and nothing is hid from its heat, no bottom! :laughing7: and also used the phrase the "circle of the earth". (Psalm 19:6 & Isaiah 40:22) Man is made of the same elements as the earth. There is lots of evidence and all peoples have legends of a world flood which aged everything under it.
  - fossils found in piles like washed up in a tide. Sea fossils where there is no sea. There are many ways of dating the earth which suggest much younger earth than their chosen one of a handful which suggest the millions, oops now billions of years needed for evolution which couldn't happen in trillions of years. "Living fossils" were fossils found thought to be ancient and even extinct life forms until they were discovered alive and well as research advanced, and surprise! They forgot to evolve. Same today. The 'dinosaur' is the most described animal/creature in the bible. Now science admits they were concurrent with man. (As dragon legends of so many peoples suggested.) Adamant atheists come off like (and believe that) the theory of evolution has been proven but this is waay false! (When something is disproved they don't always take it out of the text books!) Evolution is a belief just like anything else. SCIENCE strongly suggests it cannot be true. It takes a lot of faith to believe nothing, exploded, and become everything. If everything evolved from one 1st life (the 113 amino acids lined up perfectly which top mathematicians have said is impossible to the 50th degree) that would be an unimaginable number of transitional links, but they have only a handful of possibles. Those after Darwin went much further than Darwin who said if one thing that exists could not come about through a series of small changes, his theory would be disproven. He said that when they still thought the cell was just a glob rather than like a highly complex metropolis and communications network; also before the DNA "code" was discovered (instructions and information comes from where?) The theory is but an adult fairy tale which lets man think he is the higher power and final authority (point in fact, and see just where that/man in control, has gotten us!). If the complex bird fit for travel evolved than so did the less complex 747. Everything in matter is made up of 100+ elements arranged in different ways, much like the 26 letters of the alphabet is arranged to make up words. If chance could produce the universe and life, it also would create a work of Shakespeare. The second most held law of science states all of matter (and communication) is falling apart, breaking up, not evolving into increased complexity or improvement. Atheistic science tries to say the sun entering the system changes that law, but pluck a leaf from a tree, lay it in the sun for a few days, and see if it improves. Only living things improve via the use of sunshine. So sun entering the system did not suspend the 2nd law of science (entropy) long enough for life to evolve from nonlife. Even if so how did the sun and universe come to be before the sun light suspended the 2nd law of science?
 - How did an evolving creature breathe while it was evolving its lungs? How did any creature survive the hundreds of years it was evolving its survival mechanism?
--The flaws in this theory are endless.. Richard Dawkins wrote in a book he thinks the flying squirrel evolved into the bird. Squirrels do not fly, they have pads between their toes which allow them to fall more slowly. The whale evolved into the cow? Puhlease. (I am much more cordial however when in a discussion! :) Anyone who can create the universe in six ("AN evening and A morning") days could cause the experience of Jonah. [It takes a lot of faith to believe in that immaculate conception: nothing, exploded, and became everything.)

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Why do bad things happen to good people?

er, think about it? God could have created robots and we wouldn't have this problem. (dah)

Q7
Why didn't any of Jesus' miracles in the bible leave behind any evidence?

Why did the witnesses who testified to these things via the gospels allow themselves to be killed for them if not true? (all except the apostle John who died of old age) and so many Christians in that day and since if the Person they know (Jesus) doesn't exist? And if they don't really know Him..

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How do you explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you?

How to account for the fact that we know Him, He is real and communicates, teaches, heals to this day. Known by millions. Hard to convince someone that someone they know, doesn't exist.

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Why would Jesus want you to eat His body and drink His blood?

Jesus crucified is a strong enough statement to eventually penetrate every psyche. He is the only sacrifice ever needed unlike in the just previous and even concurrent pagan beliefs; the blood and flesh also mimics this strongest of the pagan practices worldwide, and is the bread of life, the Bible, and the Spirit which is the lifeblood. As Christians for success we need the Spirit and the Word and to do those two in remembrance of Him. Our daily bread (and Spirit/Presence of God). "Man shall not live on bread alone but by the words of God"

Q10
Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians.

Do they? They are not supernatural but still human, also one third of all angels rebelled which is MANY and they are constantly undermining Christians and Christian relationships, and many do not know how to use the weapons of God against them.
   
- Does it say no repentance after death? being resurrected still in their sins (2nd Resurrection) during age of Judgment? sure to be weeping and wailing?
- Is weeping & wailing the beginning of the redemptive process?
- "Behold I make aLL things new" Rev21:5
- "On every high mountain and hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day ..when the towers fall." Is 30:25
- "A new heavens and a new earth" Rev 21:1
- "The lion will eat straw like the ox.. the bear will graze with the cow" Is 11:7
- "They will sit each under his vine, and under his fig-tree, with none troubling.." Micah 4:4

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Re: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2011, 01:15:25 AM »
He did during the move in the 40's,  several times. and there is documented proof.

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=bc1ece7f50dea1e94a70650ea6578c98&board=2.0

We are putting up some of your videos on YouTube.com and stumbled into a site that caught my attention. After the video, I went to their site and saw they had a discussion board. Perhaps some of you could visit the boards and make comments.

Here's the video. It is well done. I'm sure it will rock a few people's faith:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z9pDURu8u74

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Re: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2011, 11:55:25 AM »
Understand that I believe that The Creator is the one who is totally aware and incontrol of all the happenings and workings of the entire world all the time.
So now I state this, you have just read how I believe that God has total control of all things happening in the entire world. I believe this. I say this with no anamosity, or dislike. As the world turns and continues stuff will happen. If in the turn of time a person, be they saint or sinner, was in the path of a certain happening of events that God allowed to happen, that this is life.
I have to believe that God, in this world, from its beginning and as it continues on,  to make the world as it is,  there needs be folks with members taken, arms or legs how ever it may happen. I have no way of explaining. He cant heal something that is part of the whole scope, part of how this world is the world. He made a world that had arms or legs removed. I dont see how we can wonder how life would be, should that part of life not be there. Healed, it is not part of how it is.
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Re: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
« Reply #54 on: May 25, 2011, 11:04:51 PM »
This seems to be the hit of the week with Atheists.  So let me pose the questions so we can formulate our answers, this guy says we abandon all rationality so it will be interesting to see how this pans out.

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Why won't God heal amputees?

God does heal amputees.  However there are so few amputees that know how to call on the lord to get themselves healed.  I actually see no point in getting healed, it will make no difference when your body will pass away.

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We believe in answered prayer, so why is a prayer for a raise etc. not have the same effect as a prayer of a starving person.

You mean praying for evil to be done?

1 John 2:15-17
15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world— the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. 17And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.


Jesus fasted and these people don't wonder why? 

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Why are there so many starving people in this world?

Because they aren't getting enough food.  If your asking why jesus isn't proactively feeding people -- maybe it's because it wouldn't please god.

Q3
Why does God demand the deaths of so many innocent people in the Bible?

Alludes to disobedient teenagers, non-virgins, homosexuals, people working on the Sabbath day

God demands the SECOND death on so many guilty people.

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Why does the bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense?

Claims of no worldwide flood, Jonah and the fish, man was not created from the dust.

I could care less.

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Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery in the bible?

A slave never was actually a slave, just like someone divorced never really gets divorced, they are married couples apart from each other.

Q6
Why do bad things happen to good people?

Nobody is a good person.  What scenario you think is bad might seen as good for another person.

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Why didn't any of Jesus' miracles in the bible leave behind any evidence?

Because such miracles wouldn't leave behind evidence.

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How do you explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you?

He did appear to me.

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Why would Jesus want you to eat His body and drink His blood?

Metaphorical.  Read John 6:22-59.

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Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians.

Becoming a believer doesn't change your flesh mind on earth.

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Re: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
« Reply #55 on: June 28, 2011, 06:17:54 AM »
A few other alternative answers

This seems to be the hit of the week with Atheists.  So let me pose the questions so we can formulate our answers, this guy says we abandon all rationality so it will be interesting to see how this pans out.

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Why won't God heal amputees?

God does heal amputees. There are so few fountains where the living water is flowing freely and the raw power of the Holy Spirit usually manifests where there is an acceptable sacrifice to visit upon(lives completely laid down for the love of Christ), but don't worry- these things and even greater shall you see because I(jesus) go to my Father- there have been waves of glory off and on through out history and I believe we are in for a new wave.

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We believe in answered prayer, so why is a prayer for a raise etc. not have the same effect as a prayer of a starving person.

Prayer involves several dynamics. Sometimes desperation energizes faith in a powerful way- and moves the heart of a loving God, who may still bless me with a raise.

1 John 2:15-17
15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world— the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. 17And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.


Jesus fasted and these people don't wonder why? 

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Why are there so many starving people in this world?

Because they aren't getting enough food.  Jesus left the stewardship of this problem in the hands of the church- but we prefer, "Go your way(to social services)- be warmed and filled(somewhere else, not here- and certainly not my house)- as they build more half empty churches to house carnal(immature, naturally minded) believers

Q3
Why does God demand the deaths of so many innocent people in the Bible?

Alludes to disobedient teenagers, non-virgins, homosexuals, people working on the Sabbath day

Some people need real hard lines or they just can't stop destroying themselves and others (look at Sodom and Gomorrah- where an orgy of murder and perversion was taking place daily)

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Why does the bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense?

Claims of no worldwide flood, Jonah and the fish, man was not created from the dust.

One mans science is another man's nonsense ;o)

Q5
Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery in the bible?

God leaves us a lot of leeway in the stewardship of our lives, our communities, our families. Sometimes He says, in effect- "If you are going to do thus and so- make sure you do it like this. As Jesus said- Moses allowed them divorce because of the hardness of their hearts, but from the beginning it was not so. We always want to blame God for our evil. We don't like the responsibility of free wills. They chose a king, altho God warned them not to. It was because he wanted them to live in freedom and beauty- but they would not have because they didn t want the responsibility of free wills.

Q6
Why do bad things happen to good people?

The rain falls on the just and the unjust, and we'll understand it better by and by......

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Why didn't any of Jesus' miracles in the bible leave behind any evidence?

The testimony of Jesus Christ is evidence to me.

Q8
How do you explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you?

He did appear to me.

Q9
Why would Jesus want you to eat His body and drink His blood?

Metaphorical.  Read John 6:22-59.

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Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians.

Because contemporary Western cultural Christianity does not deliver enough grace to stem the tide of destruction that is washing over our land like a wreckage filled tsunami
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Re: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
« Reply #56 on: June 28, 2011, 10:40:20 AM »
EW stated Because they aren't getting enough food.  Jesus left the stewardship of this problem in the hands of the church- but we prefer, "Go your way(to social services)- be warmed and filled(somewhere else, not here- and certainly not my house)- as they build more half empty churches to house carnal(immature, naturally minded) believers

My spirit jumped as I read this...Amen.

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Re: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2011, 07:17:36 AM »
Good work to everyone who has already posted responses to these.  :bigGrin:

With a bit of thought, the answers to all of these questions are rational, and there is plenty of positive evidence (especially for Jesus' resurrection, and for Design in Physics, for example) – it's a popular (and false) stereotype that the Christian worldview is 'irrational'. Universal Reconciliation is a great tool, also, for some of these questions!

No-one needs to be concerned when questions like these come up! Atheism is imaginary, not God! (Sorry, the following post is quite long…)

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Why won't God heal amputees?

Answer to Q1: I disagree with this; if we think about it, every single disabled amputee will ultimately be healed in the eventual reconciliation and bodily resurrection in the New Creation. Therefore, it is just a matter of time before every single prayer (in good intention) made by everyone will be answered in full (in the best way), with any wait only allowed for the eventual benefit of the individual (as an act of love by the Father, in a similar way to how a parent on Earth may postpone giving a child something if they knew that it would ultimately benefit them). Every person is treated with love by God, without exception. This makes the question a generally false one.

Regardless, it is quite possible that a) Jesus did heal amputees during His time on Earth, which is supported by the evidence for the resurrection, b) God implicitly heals people by preventing them from being maimed in the first place (it is possible that this 'implicit healing' has taken place many millions of times), even if they don't realise His intervention and c) there are some very interesting cases:

One was where, after prayer, 4 inches of bone regrew in a very badly injured leg (there is video testimony from the family) that was thus not amputated, as it otherwise may have been (see http://www.rogerwebb.org/testimonies/removedbonegrowsback.html)

Another is a possible actual documented case of the restoration of an amputated leg, with some interesting evidence to go with it in Calanda, Spain (even reported on Wikipedia): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_Calanda.

However, far above the healing of amputees, we have very good evidence for something much greater: Jesus' bodily resurrection (see later for a case on this)

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We believe in answered prayer, so why is a prayer for a raise etc. not have the same effect as a prayer of a starving person.

Q2
Why are there so many starving people in this world?


Answer to sub-topic and Q2: Firstly, it is having an effect: prayer works on the person doing the praying (acting as a channel by which God can, perhaps, inspire them to give more money to charity), and, as per earlier, all starvation and famine (especially for the poor people who suffered it) will be ended and hence all such prayers answered in a spectacular fashion. Again, there may be a pause for some ultimately loving reason (where, in light of eternity, such a reason could be very substantial indeed), but it shall ultimately be answered. In addition, we again have the case that, it seems to me, God is constantly sustaining the universe, intervening even when we don't end up perceiving it, and so far more famines have been prevented than allowed to take place.

Q3
Why does God demand the deaths of so many innocent people in the Bible?

Answer to Q3: Now, in this following way I may be making use of a principle that is contentious, but I presently advocate a method of thinking about the inspired text in the Bible that I could call 'agape-centred hermeneutics', where, after taking into account other factors, an 'agape test' is given, where the literal meaning of the verse is considered to see whether it fits into the well-documented principle that "God is love". If it doesn't fit with this, it is quite plausible that it may not be referring to a literal event, but figurative language (like a parable, which is just as meaningful and inspired); this is how I presently view some of the more difficult passages in the Old Testament, where it seems to me that such events as the harsher laws and events may not be referring to literal (i.e. historical) implementation, but instead more in the form of a parable. This wouldn't remove from inspiration, but allows passage over many problems. Then, in the context of eternal life, the mystery of such verses would gradually be unfolded to ultimately see the clear picture of God's love behind them.

In this way, I think that the charge against God in Q3 is false. I know that this interpretation method may be contentious, but at least it prevents people being turned away from Christianity on the basis of such passages (which may distract from the much greater importance of Jesus).

Q4
Why does the bible contain so much anti-scientific nonsense?

Answer to Q4: I disagree again. Personally, I take Genesis to have (very important) figurative meaning, such as, primarily, God's Creation of the universe and life, but also, it seems to me, the equality of man and woman (as shown by the fact that the man is the one who did worse, sinning of his own accord, while Eve did it more as a result of deceit) and the stewardship of life. The mechanism for this creation can be disagreed about, but there is no need for controversy. I personally concede to guided evolution, i.e. creation through Darwinian evolution, where the 'random' processes were actually guided by God to bring about purpose.

I disagree with a literal flood, instead interpreting the passage to be a very important parable (still inspired by God) alluding to baptism and repentance, for example. However, anyone who wishes to disagree with this interpretation is free to do so: there is the potential for a local flood, for example.

Q5
Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery in the bible?

Answer to Q5: Yet again I disagree. It seems to me that modern conceptions of slavery, where slaves were kidnapped from their former countries, is actively prohibited by the Bible (since kidnapping is prohibited, as is stealing, which should include, of course, human life). Israel were actually released from slavery! Clearly, God abhors slavery; the references to allowing it, in my opinion, would refer only to voluntary servitude rather than forced slavery, and the idea of man being made in "the image of God" ought to instantly demolish any forms of discrimination that can lead to forced slavery, or treating people as 'property.

Hence, I disagree with Q5: God abhors anything which is hateful and harmful, which is what slavery is.

Q6
Why do bad things happen to good people?

Answer to Q6: With Universal Reconciliation, this question becomes much easier to answer. It seems to me that evil is a product of the misuse of free will on creatures with 'transworld depravity' (Alvin Plantinga's term referring to the idea that, no matter what situation God placed certain free creatures in, they would do at least one wrong). It also seems to me that it is possible that non-human beings (of whatever sort) could be entirely responsible for natural evil, hence reducing all forms of evil to moral evil. Then, it is only allowed to the extent that, in the context of eternal happiness, every wrong ultimately brings about, for every single individual (so no person is used as a means to an end), a wonderfully greater good. In this way, the allowing of temporary in a loving manner is not in contrast to God's goodness.

In addition, this question is interesting on its own, since it presumes a standard of 'good' and 'evil' by which to measure the world. Yet this cannot be done without an objective set of morals, set as ideas within a necessary Mind, which is God; the atheist worldview has no real justification for objective morality (although, of course, atheists still behave as though there were an objective morality). Hence, the Problem of Evil cannot be put forward unless we first presume the existence of God in the first place, and hence it utterly fails to contradict the idea of God's existence, only offering up a real challenge to God's goodness, which is not a very powerful challenge for the reasons stated in the above paragraph.

This can actually become the moral argument: if we want objective moral values (e.g. 'racism is wrong') that are justified and grounded in reasoning, we require God as a necessary (impossible to fail to exist) Mind whose will determines the morality of actions

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Why didn't any of Jesus' miracles in the bible leave behind any evidence?

Answer to Q7: There is certainly evidence for the main miraculous event of the New Testament: the resurrection of Jesus the Christ, which I have adapted from a post that I did elsewhere:

I think that the evidence for the resurrection is often underestimated. A case for the resurrection can be made using mainly a few facts that the significant majority of scholars (atheist to Christian) agree upon (the minimal facts method), even if we take the Gospels and Paul's letters as just historical sources rather than presuming inspired content:

1) Jesus was crucified on a Roman cross (as evidenced by Tacitus, Josephus and Paul, amongst others)
2) The disciples, subsequent to the resurrection, had experiences which they sincerely believed to be those of the risen Jesus (as seen in the very early creed contained in a passage in 1 Corinthians 15)
3) James, Jesus' brother, who is recorded as being a sceptic in the Gospels (where the criterion of embarrassment supports the authenticity of this) became a Christian, and the persecutor Paul, after experiencing what he sincerely believed to be the risen Jesus, became a devoted preacher of Christianity.

The above have general scholarly consensus (as compiled by research of large numbers of qualified scholars by Dr. Gary Habermas), and so can be used as the 'building blocks' of any explanation to explain them.

Well attested also is the idea of the empty tomb, due to the 'Jerusalem factor': because early Christian preaching was in Jerusalem, and Jesus was buried near Jerusalem. If the Jewish officials had wanted to destroy the upcoming Christian Church, all they would have had to have done would be to show them Jesus' body (had it not been resurrected); doing this could have destroyed the movement. Yet they didn't do this, and Christianity grew! The sensible conclusion from this is that the tomb was indeed empty, baffling the officials.

Then, we can use the following historical criteria, which are important to help moderate explanations that are posited:

**Explanatory power** – can the explanation explain the evidence easily, without forcing it to fit?
**Explanatory scope** – can the explanation explain all the known data?
**Ad hoc assumptions** – are there any assumptions with no evidence whatsoever that must be made?
**Plausibility** – is the explanation plausible in itself?

One old objection is that Jesus didn't actually die, and so 'woke up' after being crucified and somehow managed to walk back from the place of burial to the disciples and convince them that He had been raised to life. This 'swoon hypothesis' can be widely rejected (and it is rejected today even by the majority of atheist scholars). It utterly fails the plausibility criterion, for starters, because, apart from the friends recorded by the historian Josephus (who were removed from crucifixion early, and a few of them died as a result of this regardless despite good medical care), just about no-one survived crucifixion, let alone burial, let alone examination by Roman soldiers for signs of life. Even if Jesus had, however, He in no way would have been able to escape from the tomb, fight any guards present, walk to find the disciples (without being spotted by anyone as covered in blood), and then convince them of resurrection, without any professional medical attention. This is especially evident with James, being a sceptic who became a Christian. Hence, this idea lacks plausibility, and explanatory power (without forcing the facts to fit). It also lacks scope, not fitting the many resurrection appearances, not accounting for Jesus after this point (where would He have gone after He found the disciples?), and certainly not fitting Paul's conversion. Jesus' survival is also an ad hoc assumption.

Another objection is hallucination. This is also a poor alternative, as it would require the vast majority of the witness disciples to be the hallucinogenic type of person, which is ad hoc and implausible, given many of these disciples were chosen by Jesus, from a variety of backgrounds. They would also have to have been convinced that the experiences were bodily rather than the traditional Jewish idea of disembodied spirits after death in order to declare 'resurrection' out of the blue. Hence, this 'alternative' is inherently implausible, given the ancient creed's account (from 1 Corinthians 15) of many people having experiences simultaneously (500 people are mentioned at one stage, and a group this size is massively unlikely to have any multiple accounts of definite bodily experiences). The hallucination idea does not account well for James' conversion (from a sceptic), who would have doubted such experiences had they happened to others, and is also unconvincing in terms of Paul's dramatic conversion.

It also fails to account for the success of the early Christian movement (even though its followers were few), compared to other, similar movements, without making more ad hoc assumptions. The mutation in Jewish teaching about the resurrection (i.e. different ideas about how it happened to people) from the diversity of approaches prior to Jesus' death to a singular, bodily approach is also not accounted for by this hypothesis. Also, with the evidence for the empty tomb this approach becomes even less useful. Hence, it seems that hallucination hypotheses have poor explanatory power (forcing the facts to fit) as well as very little explanatory scope, especially with the evidence for the empty tomb.

In stark contrast to the above, agreeing to the resurrection has explanatory scope and explanatory power that instantly explains all the facts (together with many others) with absolutely no forcing. Due to the other theistic arguments that there are, the plausibility (by God's intervention, not by natural means, as the latter would not be plausible) is sufficient and it contains no non-evidenced assumptions. Therefore, the best historical explanation for the consensus of facts is the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ.


Q8
How do you explain the fact that Jesus has never appeared to you?

Answer to Q8: I disagree again: Jesus has become present in the life of any person who genuinely calls upon God, as is often evidenced by their radically changed habits and attitude, through the Holy Spirit and through the Bible. Indeed, all Christians, whether UR, ET, ED etc., are members of the Body of Christ, with all other people analogous to lost sheep, future members. Some people have had visual perceptions of Jesus, but this is not necessary for a person to experience Him. Regardless, even if we have absolutely no experience of Jesus, this will ultimately be turned around in the New Creation, with the postponement only for loving purposes of God. Hence, this question really is not too significant.

Q9
Why would Jesus want you to eat His body and drink His blood?

Answer to Q9: Jesus is, of course, not just a human: although He had a human nature, He was fully God. Thus, in Holy Communion, even if we take the reference to the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ literally, it is more God feeding us with Himself in the ultimate act of true self-giving love in Jesus. Since God is love, this feeding is on love and is a powerful symbol of the transformation of a person through trust in Jesus and calling on God.

Q10
Why do Christians get divorced at the same rate as non-Christians.

Answer to Q10: Since people have been given responsibility (for the purpose of improvement and development upto the standard for the New Creation), there is no reason why a Christian couple is physically forced to remain together, as this would abrogate free will. Indeed, I have strong feelings against divorce because of its effect on the former partners and (especially) the children, as well as Jesus' injunction (but, of course, people who have divorced are just as valuable as everyone else); I think that the Christian divorce rate is more a mistake made by modern Christians than any other reflection. Potentially the emphasis on self-giving love has not been emphasised enough.

Sorry that this post was quite long!
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Re: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
« Reply #58 on: December 02, 2011, 03:53:01 PM »
 :cloud9: Only to answer the title question......because the heart of the priesthood has not been sufficiently cleansed to manifest such a thing outwardly. What is in the heart of the priesthood is what is manifesting "out there". The body (out there) can only manifest what "it" sees the head do. Loss of limbs, specifically the loss of a hand, was punishment for theft. Until theft is dealt with in the heart of the priesthood and cleansed, the outward manifestation (healing) cannot manifest, because Satan cannot cast out Satan.

What theft? "Will a man rob God? Yea, in tithes and offerings." And as usual, it's not a literal natural understanding of this He's after. Blessings....
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Re: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2011, 07:59:46 AM »
He walks among the lampstands. He tries the reigns and the hearts. he separates soul and spirit, bone and marrow, making manifest the thoughts and intentions of the heart. "Therefore repent lest I come quickly(the word is quick and active, sharper than any two edged sword) and remove your lampstand from its place.

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Re: Why Won't God Heal Amputees?
« Reply #60 on: September 27, 2012, 10:38:17 PM »
I believe the whole thing boils down to why exactlypeople are 1.) mad at God 2.) mad at the world and/or 3.) No longer believe there is a God.
The very simple answer is that the person that feels any of these 3 (or all 3) things
Does not approve of the way God is running the world, the circumstances that God allowed to occur, and doesn't make it 100% clear as to what he is doing.
In short, the omnipotent, omniscient God is not running the universe and doing things exactly the way this fallible, limited individual thinks he should.
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