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Breath of life
« on: November 16, 2010, 07:36:26 AM »
I deleted my post it was going in the same direction it always does. It would seem that the definition of a soul in the Bible is in error.
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Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2010, 07:47:37 AM »
OR that breath of life was the spirit asleep.

Almond.
H8247
שׁקד
shâqêd
BDB Definition:
1) almond tree, almonds
1a) almond (the nut)
1b) almond-tree
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: from H8245
H8245
שׁקד
shâqad
BDB Definition:
1) to wake, watch, awake, be alert
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to keep watch of, be wakeful over
1a2) to be wakeful, wake (as mourner or sufferer)
The menorah has the shape of an almond and olive tree.
The almond tree is the one of the first fruit bearing trees. It flowers in January and is (nearly) ready around passover.
Very likely Jesus was nailed to an olive/(almond) tree.

Before getting to much off-topic....
"to awake" can reference to:
- The almont tree
- Resurrection
- Adam awaking. -> In Genesis God put Adam in a deep sleep but it's never said Adam woke up.

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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2010, 04:40:08 PM »
The Hebrew words in Genesis 1:2 and Gen 2:7 are different. But the meaning has much similarities.
There is  areason I posted the above.
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'You must be begotten anew.'"
Doesn't that mean "again". But this time different.
Or perhaps exactly the same but awake.
You seem to agree on the awake part.
So  my thought is a sleeping spirit is still a spirit.
Rebirth isn't even rebirth or changed into something different but just waking up.
So the breath of life is the spirit that was put in a deep sleep by Father.
The Son came to wake up what Father has put to sleep.
So I would say spirit=breath
« Last Edit: November 16, 2010, 06:26:07 PM by WhiteWings »
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2010, 06:38:22 PM »
Everything that has nostrils has breath in my opinion


Genesis 7:22   

All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.


Genesis 7:15 

And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.


Breath inside of animals who went into the ark. If you think that breath is spirit, then animals would have spirits too.
But I don't believe that animals are made in the image of God
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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2010, 06:43:41 PM »
But life is not limited to animals with nostrils.
Everything with blood has life.
YLTGen 9
4 only flesh in its life--its blood--ye do not eat.

YLTJohn 6
54 he who is eating my flesh, and is drinking my blood, hath life age-during, and I will raise him up in the last day;
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2010, 06:50:01 PM »
But life is not limited to animals with nostrils.
Everything with blood has life.
YLTGen 9
4 only flesh in its life--its blood--ye do not eat.

YLTJohn 6
54 he who is eating my flesh, and is drinking my blood, hath life age-during, and I will raise him up in the last day;

You can't squirm out of this one mr wings  :laughing7:
At ease soldier

Genesis 6:17   
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Animals don't drink the blood of Christ or partake of his spirit, unless you want to create "animalistic doctrines"!

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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2010, 07:04:33 PM »
But life is not limited to animals with nostrils.
Everything with blood has life.
YLTGen 9
4 only flesh in its life--its blood--ye do not eat.

YLTJohn 6
54 he who is eating my flesh, and is drinking my blood, hath life age-during, and I will raise him up in the last day;

You can't squirm out of this one mr wings  :laughing7:
I haven't started yet.
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Genesis 6:17   
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
What's your point TT. I wasn't claiming those animals didn't die. I just said there are more life animals than those with breath.
Unless a fish also breath in it's own special way.

Animals don't drink the blood of Christ or partake of his spirit, unless you want to create "animalistic doctrines"!
Not animals. But people. First it's forbidden to eat blood of animals (I often do BTW :mshock:)
Later it's commanded. Of course Jesus is no animal but if you look at Him as the Lamb....  I just think there is some connection.

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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
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Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2010, 07:14:49 PM »
But life is not limited to animals with nostrils.
Everything with blood has life.
YLTGen 9
4 only flesh in its life--its blood--ye do not eat.

YLTJohn 6
54 he who is eating my flesh, and is drinking my blood, hath life age-during, and I will raise him up in the last day;

You can't squirm out of this one mr wings  :laughing7:
I haven't started yet.
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Genesis 6:17   
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
What's your point TT. I wasn't claiming those animals didn't die. I just said there are more life animals than those with breath.
Unless a fish also breath in it's own special way.

Haven't you fished before? When you take a fish out of the sea, it pants for air.

Animals don't drink the blood of Christ or partake of his spirit, unless you want to create "animalistic doctrines"!
Not animals. But people. First it's forbidden to eat blood of animals (I often do BTW :mshock:)
Later it's commanded. Of course Jesus is no animal but if you look at Him as the Lamb....  I just think there is some connection.

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I'll do 50 for fun, but that's it. Your reply was so poor, you deserve solitary confinment. Now go and make use of this punishment to do some meditating with Christ or YAHushua, his true name according to scholars, even you.

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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2010, 07:45:25 PM »
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
What's your point TT. I wasn't claiming those animals didn't die. I just said there are more life animals than those with breath.
Unless a fish also breath in it's own special way.

Haven't you fished before?[/quote]What do you think I do during all those AWOLs?
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When you take a fish out of the sea, it pants for air.
But without nostrils. I think this goes a tiny bit off-topic :sigh:

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Now gimme 50 private Tank!
I'll do 50 for fun, but that's it.
I did mean 50 within 50 days TT :laughing7:

 
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Your reply was so poor, you deserve solitary confinment.
I tried to keep it understandeble for you. I admit. I failed :winkgrin:

So TT, do you think the breath of life is spirit?
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2010, 08:19:41 PM »
So TT, do you think the breath of life is spirit?

I think the best way to describe the breath of life, is Gods supernatural power that is some kind of living energy, a bit like Artificial intelligence, it is alive but yet not personal. This supernatural power or spirit gives life to animals and people, as to the extent of what it does I do not know, but I know that is is vital for a human being to live as a living soul upon the earth. Scientifically it could be the subconcious part of a human being, spiritually it could be the soul part or EVE part, a womb that responds to the thinking of the spirit man (Adam in Gods image) found in Genesis. Eve responded to Adams command and his lead, as he represent the Man in Gods image while she is the soul, who responds to his lead. I think that the spirit man within us all, causes our soul to grow, so we start off as babies, when our souls are not developed, but after the spirit man, thinks enough thoughts concerning the world, the environment, it builds the soul as a house, so a soul is a product of what the spirit man is thinking. If a man thinks bad thoughts most of his life his heart or soul will be full of treasures of darkness, but if he thinks good thoughts, the soul treasures good thoughts and produces it.

So if a man is changed as a christian his spirit man now thinks good thoughts, but the trouble is, that his soul has built up treasures of evil thoughts and so he still thinks bad thoughts and it becomes a struggle between the soul and the spirit. Jesus called these struggles in the soul stongholds, that need to be defeated and cast down by the spirit man within, by Christs spirit dwelling withinus who helps our spirit man win these battles. Thats why when a man becoming a christian an alcahaolic often still has desires for drink, that his soul is still programmed to enjoy.
This hopefully might be a blessing to some and maybe explain why they still have dark desires still lurking, from days old.
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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2010, 08:39:00 PM »
I do not want to get off topic but I for one am tired of the presumption that the man of Genesis 2 is this man of Gen 1:26  And God saidóLet us make man in our image after our likeness

If that word is true then God was just as disobedient as man when he ate; for if the man of Genesis 2 was created in the image and likeness of God then God is disobedient as well. Correct?

And also can we stay within the diffinition of what a soul is by the discription given in Gen. 2:7.? Please
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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2010, 08:49:08 PM »
Let us make man in our image after our likeness

If that word is true then God was just as disobedient as man when he ate; for if the man of Genesis 2 was created in the image and likeness of God then God is disobedient as well. Correct?
No, because the image is not like God but the opposite of God.

צלם
tselem
BDB Definition:
1) image
1a) images (of tumours, mice, heathen gods)
1b) image, likeness (of resemblance)
1c) mere, empty, image, semblance(=OUTward show) (figuratively)
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: from an unused root meaning to shade
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1923a
ֶצֶלם
ṣelem: A masculine noun meaning an image, a likeness, a statue, a model, a drawing, a shadow.

Outline (of light), shadow.
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/members_lounge/shadow_shadow_and_image._7225.msg82236.html#msg82236
http://www.tentmaker.org/forum/apologetic_support/lupacs_topic_questions._7215.msg81900.html#msg81900
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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2010, 08:53:08 PM »
Let us make man in our image after our likeness

If that word is true then God was just as disobedient as man when he ate; for if the man of Genesis 2 was created in the image and likeness of God then God is disobedient as well. Correct?
No, because the image is not like God but the opposite of God.

צלם
tselem
BDB Definition:
1) image
1a) images (of tumours, mice, heathen gods)
1b) image, likeness (of resemblance)
1c) mere, empty, image, semblance(=OUTward show) (figuratively)
Part of Speech: noun masculine
A Related Word by BDB/Strong's Number: from an unused root meaning to shade
Same Word by TWOT Number: 1923a
ֶצֶלם
ṣelem: A masculine noun meaning an image, a likeness, a statue, a model, a drawing, a shadow.


I do not understand . I know the defiintion of image.
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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2010, 08:59:47 PM »
I added something to my post.

I'm sure you know what image means. But I doubt image is a correct translation.
I think it means shadow (or similar)
That way we are the opposite of God.
Not holy but sinners.

Gen 1:26  And God saidóLet us make man in our outline/shadow after our semblance(=OUTward show)

So we are created unlike God.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2010, 09:10:10 PM »
I added something to my post.

I'm sure you know what image means. But I doubt image is a correct translation.
I think it means shadow (or similar)
That way we are the opposite of God.
Not holy but sinners.

Gen 1:26  And God saidóLet us make man in our outline/shadow after our semblance(=OUTward show)

So we are created unlike God.

I can see that, yet I believe that the man of Gen.1:26 ...the image and likeness... is a man that will be that image and lilkeness, that man is being created.
Mic 7:8  Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2010, 09:18:49 PM »
Outward we look like God. (perhaps because God can take every form He desires)
Inward we are dark like shadows.
Let Jesus in and darkness becomes light.
And then we are like God.

You wrote:
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God's breath of life I believe was the puff or blowing of His breath to start life, the ignition that started the comibination of body
You just as well can say Jesus is the ignition of the light bulb inside. :idea2:
Or as I wrote elsewhere wakes us up.
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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2010, 09:34:37 PM »
I do not see a sleeping spirit.
YLTGen 2
21 And Jehovah God causeth a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and he sleepeth, and He taketh one of his ribs, and closeth up flesh in its stead.

Mood: Imperfect

The imperfect expresses an action,  process or condition which is
incomplete
,  and it has a wide range of meaning:

1a) It is used to describe a single (as opposed to a repeated) action
in the past; it differs from the perfect in being more vivid and
pictorial. The perfect expresses the "fact",  the imperfect adds
colour and movement by suggesting the "process" preliminary to its
completion.
He put forth his hand to the door
it came to a halt
I began to hear

1b) A phrase such as "What seekest thou?",  refers not only to the
present,  but assumes that the search has continued for some time.

Why do you weep?
Why refuse to eat?
Why are you distressed?

These relate not so much as to one occasion,  as to a
continued condition.


2) The kind of progression or imperfection and unfinished condition
of the action may consist in its frequent repetition.

2a) In the present:

it is "said" today
a wise son "maketh glad" his father

2b) In the past:

"and so he did"       -  regularly,  year by year
a mist "used to go up"
the fish which "we used to eat"
the manna "came down" -regularly
He "spoke"            -repeatedly

3) The imperfect is used to express the "future",  referring not only
to an action which is about to be accomplished but one which has
not yet begun:

3a) This may be a future from the point of view of the real
present; as:

Now "shalt thou    See what I will do"
"We will burn" thy house

3b) It may be a future from any other point of view assumed; as:
He took his son that "was to reign"
she stayed to    See what "should be done"

4) The usage of 3b may be taken as the transitive to a common use of
the imperfect in which it serves for an expression of those shades
of relation among acts and thoughts for which English prefers the
conditional moods. Such actions are strictly "future" in reference
to the assumed point of relation,  and the simple imperfect
sufficiently expresses them; e.g.

of every tree thou "mayest eat"
"could we know"
He "would" say

5a) The imperfect follows particles expressing "transition",
"purpose",  "result" and so forth as,  "in order that",  "lest"; e.g.

say thou art my sister,  "that it may be well with thee"
let us deal wisely with the nation,  "lest it multiplies"

5b) When however there is a strong feeling of "purpose",  or when it
is meant to be strongly marked,  then of course the moods are
employed; e.g.

raise me up "that I may requite them"
who will entice Ahab "that he may go up"
what shall we do "that the sea may be calm"

The moods are also employed to express that class of
future actions which we express in the "optative"

"may I die"
"may" the LORD "establish" his word
"may" the child "live".

My point/idea is that the sleep is "completed" when waken up by Jesus the first fruit ---> almond tree = wake up

Just a feeling I can really prove with a list of verses. Besides perhaps  :winkgrin:
ACV1Cor 15
20 But now Christ has been raised from the dead. He became the first fruit of those who are asleep.

Tense-Perfect

The perfect tense in Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in
English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been
completed
in the past, once and for all, not needing to be
repeated.
Voice-Passive

The passive voice represents the subject as being the
recipient
of the action.  E.g., in the sentence, "The boy was
hit by the ball, " the boy receives the action.

The sleep ends and it seems the sleeper was subjected (by God) to the sleep.
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1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2010, 09:44:36 PM »
So TT, do you think the breath of life is spirit?

I think the best way to describe the breath of life, is Gods supernatural power that is some kind of living energy, a bit like Artificial intelligence, it is alive but yet not personal. This supernatural power or spirit gives life to animals and people, as to the extent of what it does I do not know, but I know that is is vital for a human being to live as a living soul upon the earth. Scientifically it could be the subconcious part of a human being, spiritually it could be the soul part or EVE part, a womb that responds to the thinking of the spirit man (Adam in Gods image) found in Genesis. Eve responded to Adams command and his lead, as he represent the Man in Gods image while she is the soul, who responds to his lead. I think that the spirit man within us all, causes our soul to grow, so we start off as babies, when our souls are not developed, but after the spirit man, thinks enough thoughts concerning the world, the environment, it builds the soul as a house, so a soul is a product of what the spirit man is thinking. If a man thinks bad thoughts most of his life his heart or soul will be full of treasures of darkness, but if he thinks good thoughts, the soul treasures good thoughts and produces it.

So if a man is changed as a christian his spirit man now thinks good thoughts, but the trouble is, that his soul has built up treasures of evil thoughts and so he still thinks bad thoughts and it becomes a struggle between the soul and the spirit. Jesus called these struggles in the soul stongholds, that need to be defeated and cast down by the spirit man within, by Christs spirit dwelling withinus who helps our spirit man win these battles. Thats why when a man becoming a christian an alcahaolic often still has desires for drink, that his soul is still programmed to enjoy.
This hopefully might be a blessing to some and maybe explain why they still have dark desires still lurking, from days old.
 :2c:

 :cloud9: :thumbsup: Exactly....Adam BECAME a LIVING soul. If you have to become something, you're not already it. The soulish life is in the blood. Abel's blood cried out from the ground, those under the altar cried out (the only way under that altar was to be made a sacrifice), ie. make of yourselves a LIVING sacrifice. That means put your soul which has been given the breath of life, on the altar.

This is what the whole sacrificial system was about, ie. bringing your carnal beastly natures (soulish life) before the Lord so that they can be put to death via the blood being put on the altar. The laying on of hands, a principle listed in Hebrews 6, comes from the priests and those that brought an animal, laying their hands upon the animal that was going to be put to death. This was listed in Hebrews as an elementary principle, yet how many in Christendom understand this?

The womb/soul, combined with the breath of life gave it the creative power that brought about being made in the image of our Creator, who has both "male" and "female" characteristics. Jesus said of Jerusalem, that He would have swept them up under His wings like a hen doth her chicks = El Shaddai, the many breasted one.

The things the womb/soul/heart of man creates or reproduces are the nature (s) of whatever seed has been planted in it (see parable of wheat and tares Matt. 13) while ADAM slept. Adam was put to sleep, but it takes Christ to wake him up (see parable of "prodigal son") or he continues eating with the swine AS a swine (remember what was IN the swine). To eat is to consume, and is one way to become one with something, which is why He told us to eat His body and His blood. A swine will eat anything, husk or grain, ie. soulish or spiritual, it has no discernment of spirit.

The life in His blood is no different than the life given to the soul of Adam, what IS different is the womb (womb of the morning) that that life was placed in. With this understanding, the scripture, "Create in me a CLEAN HEART" takes on a whole new meaning; as does "the womb-man with the issure of blood" and as does, "protect your heart with all dilligence, for out of it come the issues of life", and as does "being born from ABOVE". My  :2c: Blessings....
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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2010, 10:15:00 PM »
I do not want to get off topic but I for one am tired of the presumption that the man of Genesis 2 is this man of Gen 1:26  And God saidóLet us make man in our image after our likeness

If that word is true then God was just as disobedient as man when he ate; for if the man of Genesis 2 was created in the image and likeness of God then God is disobedient as well. Correct?

And also can we stay within the diffinition of what a soul is by the discription given in Gen. 2:7.? Please

I don't see why you should be tired of it micah, I'm the only one here I know of that mentions it, perhpas the other mentions it but not in this context , and I maybe have mentioned it about 3 times since being here at this forum. Maybe you just hate this revelation? But I don't see why it is a problem to know that we are made in Gods image, I find it exciting and freedomomatic.

IF that word is true and we are made in Gods image, it means we have his likeness, but unlike Christ who chose to be obedient to the father even till the cross, Adam and Eve were disobedient. Being made in his image, is simply a replica of him, if Jesus had the freedom to disobey the father, then so would Adam, but Jesus overcame, where Adam failed.

I also believe we have freedom, and that Adam chose to rebel against God, while Jesus Christ - Yahushua did not, God believes in freedomship, not dictatorship. (Not that you believe in dictatorship :grin:)


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Re: Breath of life
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2010, 10:17:59 PM »
:cloud9: :thumbsup: Exactly....Adam BECAME a LIVING soul. If you have to become something, you're not already it.
And never was one...

YLT1Cor 15
45 so also it hath been written, `The first man Adam became a living creature,' the last Adam is for a life-giving spirit,

γίνομαι
ginomai
Thayer Definition:
1) to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being
2) to become, i.e. to come to pass, happen
2a) of events
3) to arise, appear in history, come upon the stage
3a) of men appearing in public
4) to be made, finished
4a) of miracles, to be performed, wrought
5) to become, be made

εἰς
eis
Thayer Definition:
1) into, unto, to, towards, for, among
Part of Speech: preposition
A Related Word by Thayer's/Strong's Number: a primary preposition
Citing in TDNT: 2:420, 211

So perhaps Adam never was alive in the Biblical sense. That point was only reached at Jesus.
Just a thought.
1 Timothy 2:3-4  ...God our Savior;  Who will have all men to be saved...
John 12:47  And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...