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willieH: Hi Molly :hithere:

--- Quote from: willieH ---Not even the FLESH of CHRIST could do other than return to the DUST.  For FLESH and BLOOD shall NOT inherit the Kingdom of GOD...

Our FLESH is completely worthless... and must return to the dust because it is worthless... but the FLESH of CHRIST was part of Humanity as well, and even though WORTHY, returned to the DUST to bring back to LIFE, ...the rest of the DUST which, one by one, had succumbed to DEATH because of SIN!!!
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--- Quote from: Molly on December 16, 2008, 01:49:31 AM ---Where does it say the flesh of Christ returned to dust?  The tomb was empty.
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Do you think He rose in the SAME FLESH, in which He DIED?  :dontknow:

The Scripture says that one does not put NEW WINE in OLD BOTTLES... (Matt 9:17)

--- Quote from: Molly on December 16, 2008, 01:49:31 AM ---Psalm 16:10
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
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CHRIST's soul was in the GRAVE (not "hell")... 3 days and nights...

CHRIST's body did not see CORRUPTION, it was just  returned to dust... for it was INHERITED of ADAM... and GOD shall not go against His WORD which says that NEW WINE is NOT to be put in OLD BOTTLES...  :dontknow:

--- Quote from: Molly on December 16, 2008, 01:49:31 AM ---1Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene went to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the entrance. 2So she came running to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one Jesus loved, and said, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we don't know where they have put him!"

 3So Peter and the other disciple started for the tomb. 4Both were running, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5He bent over and looked in at the strips of linen lying there but did not go in. 6Then Simon Peter, who was behind him, arrived and went into the tomb. He saw the strips of linen lying there, 7as well as the burial cloth that had been around Jesus' head. The cloth was folded up by itself, separate from the linen. 8Finally the other disciple, who had reached the tomb first, also went inside. He saw and believed.

--John 20
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We all know these verses Molly... because the tomb was empty, does not mean the the BODY which was lived in flesh & blood with the potential to be tempted with SIN, and suffered DEATH ...was the same body which was RAISED to LIFE...

JESUS CHRIST was a descendent of ADAM... and the DEATH passed from ADAM unto ALL MEN ...Including CHRIST, who was IN DEATH, ...the SAVIOR of the DUST...

NOT raised with the body of CORRUPTION which held the ability of DISOBEDIENCE, and TEMPTATION... rather He was RAISED NEW in the ETERNAL body of INCORRUPTION...

In order to REDEEM the DUST, He went to the DUST... and ROSE from it to LIFE... for ADAM (and all amongst Adam) is DUST...

Dust thou art and unto DUST shalt thou return... CHRIST was a MAN... this mandate was given to ALL MEN...

SIN approached and TEMPTED the FLESH of CHRIST... and in the SPIRIT of YHVH, CHRIST overcame that FLESH (& blood)

CHRIST's FLESH was inherited from ADAM... and it is stated in Scripture that FLESH and BLOOD (CHRIST had both)... shall NOT INHERIT the Kingdom of GOD...

In RESURRECTION... CHRIST is noted to have, FLESH & BONE (no blood)... for the BLOOD was given to REDEEM... 

The RESURRECTED body, is a NEW body of INCORRUPTION -- flesh and bone (having OVERCOME the CORRUPTION which is found in flesh and blood)

It is SOWN in CORRUPTION, it is RAISED in INCORRUPTION... it is SOWN a NATURAL BODY (which CHRIST also had)... it is RAISED a SPIRITUAL BODY...  (2 different entities)

The Son of Man (old bottle), was given to the DEATH of DUST... (flesh & blood)

The Son of GOD (new bottle) returning in the BODY of LIFE... (flesh & bone)

CHRIST in His resurrected body... INSTRUCTED the UNCLEAN (Mary in the body of Sinful Flesh & Blood) not to touch His resurrected body (flesh & bone), ...until it was ASCENDED...


...willieH   :ty:

Jeeze Willie . . . this is really a great point.  I was leaning towards Molly's point in the question, but man, you nailed the answer for me.  The renewed body of Christ after resurrection . . .not the same flesh . . . the renewed body never died again . .but ascended into the spirit before the eyes of men.   I do like the way you think!!


--- Quote from: WillieH ---We all know these verses Molly... because the tomb was empty, does not mean the the BODY which was lived in flesh & blood with the potential to be tempted with SIN, and suffered DEATH ...was the same body which was RAISED to LIFE...
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I never said it was.  But, neither was his old body turned to dust.  Because he would not allow his Holy One to see corruption.  So what happened?

39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

 41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.

51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

--1Cor 15

A different kind of flesh?

26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

 27Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.

 28And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

--John 20

Holy Spirit was very, very deeply grieved when Brian deleted his posts.  I'm not going to say what happened over here when Brian did that lest I unwittingly frighten anyone, but there was an amazing manifestation of Holy Spirit's grief that I can't get into, and wasn't going to even but for His desire that I say something about allowing things time to grow 30/60/100/1000+ fold.  You don't withdraw the seed of the Word when it's been sown under any circumstances as though having sown it were pointless.  That's a mockery of God and now Lord Jesus has little to nothing to give the increase to of what Brian had sown.  People make the exact same mistake with the words of their mouths regarding offerings they've given.  They dig it up.

I was going to keep silent when I too was very deeply grieved at seeing that the opening post of this thread had been deleted as well 'cause it was one of my favorite posts from Brian, but Holy Spirit wanted me to speak up in His behalf about the value of sowing quality seed and how quality seed must be given time to grow.  Regardless of the intentions, folks like myself that would have watered posts like the opening post of this thread now have to start over from ground zero with nothing already growing in the field already. 

Withdrawing the seed of the Word is a very serious thing and all of us that moderate these boards know that and tread as softly as we know how in areas of the Holy Word and what'll come up as each person's harvest that's sown into Tentmaker Ministries, and into the lives of everyone that comes here, via their typed input on this forum.  I'm at a loss for the wanton destruction of this crop that would have continued to increase in Brian's behalf had he not been moved by something that he saw or whatever.  Just keep him in your prayers 'cause if it wasn't malice, then it reflected someone being deeply disturbed.  Everyone read Mark 4, please, and treat the seed you sow prayerfully and with greater honor, taking the extra second or minute to elaborate, and to make sure that it's coming from a loving rather than an offended heart, etc.

I went ahead and dumped Brian's account from the system.  I got too annoyed by 210 empty posts with just a period in them or however many that it was.  Plus, he'd changed his account's email address to a bogus email address and without the reactivation email he would have been sent with changing his email address in the system, he couldn't have reactivated his account.  With the account dumped from the system, he can either reregister as Brian or an entirely different Brian can register with Brian being his username.  And we hopefully don't have a bunch of subjects that have periods for titles.  If we do, then we can change that as we see 'em if they're important threads with a lot of activity on them.  For clarity, for future reference on this thread, for anybody new to it, this was originally started by someone named "Brian" and not by WhiteWings.


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