And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. Genesis 5:24

[sheila]

 well, I think it is a real possibility that God did 'take' Enoch

and Elijah so they would not see death.

  Jesus addressed Peter in regard to the possibility that one of

His disciples may remain unto His return, with 'what is it to you"


  Another reason is Jesus prayer to the Father, "not to take

them out of the world,but to look after them in the world,on

account of the evil one' .

  Not that I think I have a complete and full undertanding of

this subject, but I am excited that the spirit may enlighten us

 all further on it.

   Enoch's account speaks of ascending to the throne of God,and

God disclosing  366 books of Word to him. He received a

garment change'like one of God's glorious ones' He then

returned to earthly realm  and wrote out all that God had told

him[this makes me think of the change of Garments that those

wore when ministering to God and ministering to the people.]


  Also the garment change of Joshua the High preists


    ! Cor 2;12 We have not received the spirit of the world,but

the spirit who is from God,that we may understand what God

has freely given us.This is what we speak,not in words taught

us by human wisdom,but in words taught by the

spirit,expressing spiritual truth in spiritual words. The man

without the spirit does not accept the things that come from

 the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him,and he cannot

 understand them,because they are spiritually discerned. The

spiritual man makes judgements about all things, but he

himself is not subject to any man's judgement. For who has

 known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?

But we have the mind of Christ.

  God was about to bring judgement upon the earth per the

flood in Enochs time. He gave Enoch knowledge of Spiritual truth

from His throne. The Lord 'took' him..so he would not see death

 the death he was spared was the awesome judgement of God

coming upon the world that was then.  For, the righteous are

taken away to be spared the great evil that is to come. A time

ws coming quickly were the thoughts of men were only evil all

the time, God spared Enoch from that expierence of death,also

  and how?..because God took him. For I tell you, two women

will be working at the hand mill, one will be taken and the other

left.

two men in a bed..one will be taken,the other left. In this way,

 the spirit of God takes us..when we go to His throne and He

declares spiritual truths to us.

[Cardinal]

  

[WhiteWings]

well, I think it is a real possibility that God did 'take' Enoch and Elijah so they would not see death.

Sheila, then I have the same question for you as I had for Cardinal: What about John 3:13  And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

[sheila]

 Do you not know that we have access to the throne of God

through Christ?.....Paul said I KNOW A MAN THAT WAS CAUGHT

 UP TO THE THRONE OF GOD TO THE THIRD HEAVEN.

   WHETHER IN THE BODY OR OUT, I DO NOT KNOW.

   Do you not know that you must be 'born again' from above?

   If it is a rebirth or again..then you were with Him from the

beginning before you were lowered into this death realm.


   All of mankind is of Christ's body,coz all that belongs to the

  Father was given him. Whether dead or alive we are Christ's

  and if a member of His body, we have been with Him from the

 beginning[even before He descended to earth].


   No-one has ever gone into heaven except the one who come

 from heaven- the SON OF MAN.


    In the scriptures  other men are called SON OF MAN...

  the son of man is the regenerated promised seed of which all

men will bear the image of. A son of man[Adam], brought into

 being by our kinsman redeemer. See Deut 25;5-7  If brothers

are living togather and one of them dies without a son, his

widow must not marry outside the family.Her husbands brother

 shall take her and marry her and fulfill the duty of a brother-in-

law for her. THE FIRST SON SHE BEARS WILL CARRY ON THE

NAME OF THE DEAD BROTHER, SO THAT HIS NAME WILL NOT BE

 BLOTTED OUT FROM ISRAEL.

   Adam=man...thus SON OF MAN

   

[rosered]

 
  see what you are saying Sis ..
 she is my sister  


 Jhn 1:51   And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.  
 
 angels / messengers  Enoch had a good testimony / witness to others 

[Cardinal]

 

[sheila]

   that reminds me of Jacobs ladder account. with angels ascending and descending


   Gen 28;12  he had a dream in which he saw a stairway

resting on the earth,with it's top reaching to heaven[can anyone

 sing 'I'm climbing the stairway to heaven?']



    and the angels of God were ascending and descending on it


  There above it,stood the Lord and He said ' I am the God of

Abraham and the God of Isaac, I will give to you and your

descendants the land on which you are lying.Your descendants

will be like the dust of the earth,and you will spread out to the

north to the east to the west and to the south..........

....


  v 16  when Jacob awoke from his sleep,he thought,

  surely the Lord is in this place and I was not aware of it.

  He was afraid and said,'how awesome is this place! This is

none other than the house of God, this IS THE GATE OF HEAVEN


    And Jacob rose up early and took the STONE that he had

put for his pillows, and sat it up for a pillar[ thinking of the

stone on which Christ would raise his church..that which is

revealed by God,unto Peter, for He said, Blessed art thou Peter,

 for flesh and blood did not reveal this unto you, but the Father

in heaven]   AND POURED OIL UPON THE TOP OF IT


   And he called the name of that place  Bethel, but the name of

that city was called Luz at first    3870/3869 some kind of nut

 tree,perhaps the almond[Strongs].

   Sos 6;11  Let us go down to the grove of nut trees, to look at the new growth in the valley.

  v 10  why would you gaze on the Shulamite as on the dance of Mahanaim

   Genesis 32;2 Jacob also went on his way, and the angels of God met him. When Jacob saw them,he said ' This is the camp of God! So he named that place Mahanaim

  Rev 20;9  They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the 'CAMP" of God's people, the city He loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them

[Raggedy Anne]

 Jhn 1:51   And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.  

I saw that in a vision once, just upon awakening.  It became clear to me who/what the meaning of "angels of God" are and how they ascend and descend even now.  This was what I'd call an open vision/epiphany - hard to explain.  I just remember how amazed I felt by seeing this.   The Head was in heaven -- the feet in the earth.... the body many membered... the angels ministering spirits to the whole body.

[sheila]

 Good Morning,Anne

   There's nothing like His spirit for teaching,is there?

   Our Father is an awesome God!!! And we are 'wonderfully'

   made. 

   When He ascended on high, He led captives in His train

  and gave GIFTS TO MEN.


   Thanking Father for HIS Gift In You and other members of the

   Body.

   Have a Happy Thanksgiving,Anne

                                       

         

[Raggedy Anne]

I thank God for you as well, dear Sheila and for the many members of the family of God.   

Hope you had a warm and wonderful day of Thanksgiving day.

[reFORMer]

Luz means "turning," as it may have been a point at which the road turned.  It is the place of "turning," from sin, and the world, the flesh and the devil -- in the rest from that -- the "house of God" Bethel is made known.  Access to God and God to us, messengers of glory ascending and descending, the oil on the rock is where there is a repentant heart and a contrite spirit asleep to Adam but awakening to the heavenlies.

Some of the newer versions have put the word "descendents" in Genesis 28 instead of "seed."  You'll have to ask them for why, but I have some very good guesses.

Galatians 3:16, 27-29 (AV)

16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

[WhiteWings]

Where did Enoch go?

To heaven....
http://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch61-105.htm#Chapter70

1Afterwards my spirit was concealed, ascending into the heavens. I beheld the sons of the holy angels treading on flaming fire, whose garments and robes were white, and whose countenances were transparent as crystal.

2I saw two rivers of fire glittering like the hyacinth.

3Then I fell on my face before the Lord of spirits.

4And Michael, one of the archangels, took me by my right hand, raised me up, and brought me out to where was every secret of mercy and secret of righteousness.

5He showed me all the hidden things of the extremities of heaven, all the receptacles of the stars, and the splendours of all, from whence they went forth before the face of the holy.

6And he concealed the spirit of Enoch in the heaven of heavens.
7There I beheld, in the midst of that light, a building raised with stones of ice;

8And in the midst of these stone vibrations (72) of living fire. My spirit saw around the circle of this flaming habitation, on one of its extremities, that there were rivers full of living fire, which encompassed it.

(72) Vibrations. Literally, "tongues" (Laurence, p. 90).

9Then the Seraphim, the Cherubim, and Ophanin (73) surrounded it: these are those who never sleep, but watch the throne of his glory.

(73) Ophanin. The "wheels" of Ezek. 1:15-21 (Charles, p. 162).

10And I beheld angels innumerable, thousands of thousands, and myriads and myriads, who surrounded that habitation.

11Michael, Raphael, Gabriel, Phanuel and the holy angels who were in the heavens above, went in and out of it. Michael, Raphael, and Gabriel went out of that habitation, and holy angels innumerable.

12With them was the Ancient of days, whose head was white as wool, and pure, and his robe was indescribable.

13Then I fell upon my face, while all my flesh was dissolved, and my spirit became changed.

14I cried out with a loud voice, with a powerful spirit, blessing, glorifying, and exalting.

15And those blessings, which proceeded from my mouth, became acceptable in the presence of the Ancient of days.

16The Ancient of days came with Michael and Gabriel, Raphael and Phanuel, with thousands of thousands, and myriads and myriads, which could not be numbered.

17Then that angel came to me, and with his voice saluted me, saying, You are the Son of man, (74) who art born for righteousness, and righteousness has rested upon you.

(74) Son of man. Laurence's original translation renders this phrase "offspring of man." Knibb (p. 166) and Charles (p. 185) indicate that it should be "Son of man," consistent with the other occurrences of that term in the Book of Enoch.

18The righteousness of the Ancient of days shall not forsake you.

19He said, On you shall he confer peace in the name of the existing world; for from thence has peace gone forth since the world was created.

20And thus shall it happen to you for ever and ever.

21All who shall exist, and who shall walk in your path of righteousness, shall not forsake you for ever.

22With you shall be their habitations, with you their lot; nor from you shall they be separated for ever and ever.

23And thus shall length of days be with the Son of man. (75)

(75) Son of man. Literally, "offspring of man," or "the Christ who comes from the offspring of man."

24Peace shall be to the righteous; and the path of integrity shall the righteous pursue, in the name of the Lord of spirits, for ever and ever.

[thinktank]

Do you not know that we have access to the throne of God

through Christ?.....Paul said I KNOW A MAN THAT WAS CAUGHT

 UP TO THE THRONE OF GOD TO THE THIRD HEAVEN.

   WHETHER IN THE BODY OR OUT, I DO NOT KNOW.

   Do you not know that you must be 'born again' from above?

   If it is a rebirth or again..then you were with Him from the

beginning before you were lowered into this death realm.


   All of mankind is of Christ's body,coz all that belongs to the

  Father was given him. Whether dead or alive we are Christ's

  and if a member of His body, we have been with Him from the

 beginning[even before He descended to earth].


   No-one has ever gone into heaven except the one who come

 from heaven- the SON OF MAN.


    In the scriptures  other men are called SON OF MAN...

  the son of man is the regenerated promised seed of which all

men will bear the image of. A son of man[Adam], brought into

 being by our kinsman redeemer. See Deut 25;5-7  If brothers

are living togather and one of them dies without a son, his

widow must not marry outside the family.Her husbands brother

 shall take her and marry her and fulfill the duty of a brother-in-

law for her. THE FIRST SON SHE BEARS WILL CARRY ON THE

NAME OF THE DEAD BROTHER, SO THAT HIS NAME WILL NOT BE

 BLOTTED OUT FROM ISRAEL.

   Adam=man...thus SON OF MAN

   

Interesting Adam = son of man. This supports my theory that Adam = Mankind as a group, that God named THEM Adam, thus when God creates a vessel for a Spirit to dwell in,(possibly called Adam also) then he calls the soul(spirit+flesh) son of man.