willieH: Hi brother James...
What an interesting question .
I saw one guy say he was raptured like we will be. Since I'm guessing you're not going with that answer exactly, I looked up Hebrews 11:5 in The Christian Bible (1992)...extremely literal to the Koine Greek, but I do believe they add some "explanations" here and there, so I'm making no claims here...just found their translation interesting, and see if adds anything or not.
"By faith Enoch was transferred [to the beginning of the Last Age], so that he wasn't acquainted with death; and he wasn't found because God had transferred him [Gen. 5:24]." Hebrews 11:5, Christian Bible
To me, this sounds almost like another dimension rather than "heaven". Don't know if it's accurate or not, but again, thought it was interesting.
interesting brother James... however, ...as I see it, ...this is at best, a speculation (imagination), for no "other dimension" is noted as existent, nor is referenced in the WORD
... is it?
Nor does the WORD
say that Enoch was "transferred" to the "beginning of the last age"... Heb 11:13
speaks of all the prior mentioned ones (which included ENOCH):Heb 11:13
-- these ALL -- DIED in faith, not having recieved the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them and confesssed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth...
Enoch is the (7th) decendant of ADAM... and Scripture plainly states that -- IN
ADAM --- ALL
DIE... 1 Cor 15:22
If Enoch actually "went to Heaven" -- and is
in Heaven with God (as most of Chrisitianity believes) -- Then concerning Enoch, the Savior was therefore not necessary, and this would also mean that JESUS
in part (concerning Enoch) died UNNECESSARILY, as JESUS
tasted DEATH for EVERY
MAN -- Heb 2:9
-- So a portion of CHRIST's
sacrifice was not necessary!
I don't buy it. Enoch was a man, and IN ADAM, and therefore concieved in SIN, and in need of the Savior...
And though his DEATH was not noted, it HAD to have taken place, otherwise the above Scriptures are compromised [1 Cor 15:22 and Heb 2:9
] as well as others that state that JESUS
is the "Savior of the WORLD"...
They would have to say -- JESUS
is "the Savior of the World" -- except Enoch
... or, JESUS
is "the Savior of ALL" -- except Enoch
say these things...
Though Enoch's "physical death" is not recorded, the "physical deaths" of many other "Biblical" personages are not recorded either.
I believe the "translation" of ENOCH was one of FAITH (in the Savior to come)... meaning that His "walk with God" was a transforming one, and one which Scripture intends as is noted in the FAITH chapter (in Hebrews 11) that he did not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit...Col 1:13
notes that believers are "translated" into the Kingdom of God... This does not mean that we no longer are here on earth, it means our hearts have been "transferred" from UNBELIEF... Even then, MEN are still APPOINTED -- Once to die -- Heb 9:27
-- this is/was applicable to Enoch, who was a MAN
PS... I just read your note, brother...
Willi, before you post, I want you to know I thought about you as I was posting the "somewhere in time" thing...one reason I put it in quotes...I almost noted your thoughts on "God doesn't have 'time', time is for us."
It remains my belief that Enoch PHYSICALLY DIED because: (1)
men are appointed once to die (2) Heb 11
notes him amongst the men of FAITH who DIED (3)
Enoch was a direct descendent of Adam and In Adam all DIE (4)
Enoch was a SINNER, and in need of a Savior, as well as RESURRECTION(5)
God is IMPARTIAL to all men, so no one
"gets there" before the others...